Found this article over at the Mississippi Clarion Ledger, dated from yesterday. Here is the quote of interest >>

So much for the naysayers who still believe a Bullitt is not coming. Dunno about his '07 remarks though - perhaps he's thinking in production terms, as in the car begins production in December '07.

And from a 'connected' poster over at StangsUnleashed >>

 

So, was I wrong? If I wanted to rub it in I would tell you "I TOLD YOU SO", but I won't, because I am a nice guy.

They are cooked up in their little world and want it to remain as it is, hoping it will not change. What has puzzled me has been the contradiction of holding the '68 on a pedestal while idolizing the '01 which was better in every sense but the design, yet not wanting combination of the two on the new platform. The best of both worlds.

It's the Bizarro World I tell you! Wee're gonna haff too set things aright parnner!

 

310hp does not do the bullitt justice.

 

They want to keep the 08 Bullitt in the same spirit as the 01 Bullitt.

 

I agree. But remember, a 310 HP Bullitt ACTUALLY means a 350 HP Bullitt.

 

Just MSRP that thing at $32-33K (or less) and I'm in like Flynn.

 

Well it will have double the increase of horse power over the 08 GT, than the 01 Bullitt had over the 01 GT (10hp more vs 5hp more). Plus it would've smoked the original Bullitt.

 

I'm very happy with this news I only hopes it comes true!

 

Is there something I'm missing here? As far as I'm concerned, Ford is notorious for overrating the output on their cars, specifically the Mustang.

* The '01 Bullitts were rated at 265, and when put on a dyno, only put down in the high 230's to low 240's. My Bullitt, with SLP LM II catback system and SLP o/r x-pipe only put down 245 on a dynojet (however i was in the mid 270's with tq).

* The Terminators were rated at 390. I was with a girl the day i dynoed the Bullitt, and her stock Cobra put down 360.

* And from what I've heard about the S197's; rated at 300, putting down somewhere in the 260's.

So with the standard Bullitt gains, You'd probably be more realistically looking at a 310hp Bullitt putting down around the 270's, on a good day.

At least that's from everything I've seen/heard. If i'm wrong, please feel free to shed some light on this for me, because i'm sure i don't know as much as i think i do, lol. if all goes well, i will be getting the new Bullitt anyways, so i would be curious to learn what the real story is going to be.

 

Are you referring to rear wheel HP? If so, it's always less than the manufacturer rated HP due to drivetrain loss (generally 15% for a manual tranny). Manufacturers state crank HP not RWHP. That being the case, an '01 Bullitt putting down 240RWHP equates to about 282 crank HP, well above the factory-rated 265.

 

lol, yep, that's what i had going on in my mind... i feel like an idiot!

 

It's an easy mistake to make!

 

Don't worry about it; it's a common mistake.

As Tom said, it all depends upon which number you're looking at: crank or RWHP.

I'll tell you how I arrived at that number (using crank as the benchmark) >>

Assuming the Bullitt gets 310 HP, Ford's V8 engines are usually underrated about 5 to 8% - which puts the rating for the '08 Bullitt at about 325 HP. And assuming we are able to do the same CAI and pro tune to the Bullitt that many are easily doing to the GT - which nets roughly another 20-25HP - then it's quite possible to see about 350 HP from the new Bullitt.

Clearly, if the Bullitt gets 310 HP, they're not doing it using the FRPP CAI and tune, or they'd be getting that 20-25 HP themselves. So Ford must be baking the power in at a more fundamental level, which means in addition to the 310 HP, the car might, just might, get more top end...or some other such intrinsic performance gain beyond just the horsepower number.

Anyone else want to chime in with thoughts on this?

 

New computer map. You don't think Ford hasn't noticed the fact that everyone is finding lots of free horses in that Spanish/Silver Oak do you? There have been rumours since August about new maps for the Silver Oak in the GT500 and I'll wager that the hard parts are the same. Typical Ford to leave something in the tank and pull it out in a M/Y or two. Heck they are going to start pushing their own(FRPP) flash tune's in the new year.

 

Really? To what? What Diablosport and others are already doing...?

 

For many its FRPP or nothing. I don't personally think that there is any harm in Ford offering a factory style(big testing) tune from the people that built and engineered the engine in the first place. Not to mention the large number of Shelbynistas that will just HAVE TO HAVE the FRPP packages for the Shelby's. it just won't compete on raw numbers with the aftermarket.

The question is can they learn a lesson from the past and price it competitively. Ford and Ford Racing have shot themselves in the foot repeatedly over parts cost in the past and it showed up at the till and lack of sales. It will be telling if they think there is a market just for the Shelby group(now approaching 30 000 cars with both versions) or they want to compete head to head with everybody else both with what is already out there and with what may be coming(Bullitt etc.). I have not seen a huge take up on the three packages they already offer, and the Shelby fans have shown a disturbing propensity to pay whatever they can and a little more for the name and percieved history.

Interesting to see if Ford will heed the enthusiast and use its corporate power to make FRPP a name with street cred and a completly new revenue stream, or just continue to sit back and let everybody else make the sheckles with their heavy lifting( the Ford technology transfer program, repeatedly mentioned again and again at SEMA this year).

 

So it's pretty much a warmed over CS/GT? The extra horses could also come from (in part) requiring premium unleaded fuel to go with more aggressive mapping/tune. Seems easy enough.

 

I know many are disappointed by a 310 HP Bullitt, but the original 68 had 0hp over the standard GT. 01 Bullitt only 5 more hp but it was well received.

I guess I don't get where folks were expecting a whopping increase based on this historical perspective.
Now if it was a new Boss or Mach 1, I could understand the disappointment with only a 10 HP increase.
JMO.

 

I have to agree. I think the '08 Bullitt is going to be about image, not performance. And that's fine with me. If they nail the image, I can add the performance.

 

i'm lost?