2007-2008 Shelby GT The Third S197 Shelby Mustang

Why the hood scoop should be functional!!

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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by GRAYPNY
Real hood scoop or fake hood scoop doesn't make your car any faster or slower. It's all about owner preference on how they want their car to look.

BTW I don't personally think someone is stupid for adding a fake hood scoop, especially since I have one. I don't care for 20 inch wheels on this car but if someone wants to do that then it's ok with me and I don't think they are stupid. I don't believe Jack Roush is a stupid guy and they put a scoop on the car that has his name on it!
I don't get the angst over non-functional scoops. To me, it's no different than having some cool looking wheels. If you follow the same logic used on the scoops, a plain looking wheel should be used since the "pretty" wheel doesn't add any additional functionality.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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Also think about this - they designed the S197 'clean' - with none of these exterior features (highlighted in the book '40 years of Fun) as they didn't want to tack anything on.

People start requesting a hood scoop anyway.

Its probably a whole lot easier to go with an 'attachment' scoop in the interim while you possibly contemplate a functional one intergrated into your design for the first reskin of the S197.

Plus these cars are completed by Shelby from a stock as-is GT. I highly doubt it would be as cost effective for Shelby to design a completely new functional hood (no TIME either considering how quickly they brough this project together) AND manufacture it.....
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 01:00 PM
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I just can't get past the inherent dishonesty of a fake scoop or spoiler. They are nothing more than visual lies trying to prop up the image of the driver, pretending to be something they aren't, with no actual substance behind them.

A fancy wheel, at least, doesn't make a pretense of being anything other than that, a purty wheel.

Even the Stang's flank's have grown more design honesty in the S197 version in the the side scallops are just that, artistic elements, not make-believe wannabe scoops as on the SN95.

Of course, anyone can tart up a Stang with any manner of make-believe ornamentation their wallet's allow. But for me, the Stang's about keeping it real, to go to the next level of combining both form and function.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rhumb
A fancy wheel, at least, doesn't make a pretense of being anything other than that, a purty wheel.
And to some people, a hood with a scoop on isn't anything more than a purty hood. It's just a matter of personal taste (or lack thereof). Scoops aren't really my thing either but I don't begrudge someone wanting one on their car.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rhumb
I just can't get past the inherent dishonesty of a fake scoop or spoiler. They are nothing more than visual lies trying to prop up the image of the driver, pretending to be something they aren't, with no actual substance behind them.

A fancy wheel, at least, doesn't make a pretense of being anything other than that, a purty wheel.

Even the Stang's flank's have grown more design honesty in the S197 version in the the side scallops are just that, artistic elements, not make-believe wannabe scoops as on the SN95.

Of course, anyone can tart up a Stang with any manner of make-believe ornamentation their wallet's allow. But for me, the Stang's about keeping it real, to go to the next level of combining both form and function.
I'm thinking you need some therapy dude. Who cares if the car, and this is a car we're talking about, not some relationship with the opposite sex, has scoops, real scoops, fake scoops, or no scoops! The hood on the new Mustangs looks like crap, and needs something to break up the football field sized acreage that the driver has to look out at. A hood scoop does that very well, so does the reverse extractor hood like the Shelby GT-H. Personally, I'm a fan of scoops on a Mustang. My favorite Mustang of all time is the 1968 Shelby GT500, and that baby had more scoops than the clean up crew at the local dog park!!
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 05:11 PM
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Ok .....so the the scoops are not functional.Ford put that dent under the hood for ya if you want a hole in it.By the way....the Pony on the front of the grill isnt functional either...I 've yet to see it gallop from one side of the grill to other but its still cool. ...least while I'm looking
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rhumb
They are nothing more than visual lies trying to prop up the image of the driver,



Riiiiight................
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 09:51 PM
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wow i didn't realize this post would stir up angst, my point was a funtional ram air hood, i know that the car probably would be a better desing to have the airflow come in thru the lower valance but hey, i posted a few times if thats the deal then i understand better...
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 11:23 PM
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I would equate the fake scoops and rear spoiler with the front of the S-197. The SN-95 had a more aerodynamic fascia and was thus more "functional" Why make the front of the new mustang less functional/ less aerodynamic? Because Ford was going for a retro look.
Someone may want scoops for the same reason. They are going for a certain look that may not be at all "functional".

Large wheels could be considered less "functional" than smaller ones (they weigh more and thus reduce 1/4 mile times) but they are often more popular.
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 05:08 PM
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Guess I underestimated the number of closet ricers on this forum, how narrow minded of me.

In repentance, I present the perfect retro Stang, proud of its large scoops and spoilers unburdened by the dray necessisties of function; it's proud manly prow mocking sissy aerodynamics; vibrant stickers boldly proclaiming its very badazzness to all who behold; even enhanced by window slats because "whatsa behind doesn't matter."

<img src="http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/74-78/78/1978MustangIIKingCobraRed.jpg">

Who amongst us can not comprehend this triumph of form over mere function, this paragon of appearance, this end-all-be-all of you are what you seem to be. Why, it is practically damp with the testosterone oozing from its core, errr, surface. Tremble you fools who waste your precious resources on performance none will ever see for I shall smite you with my very image...



... and people wonder where I get my disdain for fake, well, anything.
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Old Aug 30, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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What an ugly piece of crap! Even though, on the new ones I like the ducktail spoiler, the window louvers, and the scoop, I see exactly what you're saying. Maybe simple and functional is better!! We don't want our Shelby GT's to be "that" in 20 years!!!
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Old Aug 31, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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LOL! THAT car had to have all that gingerbread on it. Ford was trying to disguise the fact that it was just a Pinto after all. Besides, all the other so called "performance cars" of the mid 70's all had the same junk tacked on, so it fit right in, except for the "performance" part!
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Old Aug 31, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rhumb
Guess I underestimated the number of closet ricers on this forum, how narrow minded of me.

In repentance, I present the perfect retro Stang, proud of its large scoops and spoilers unburdened by the dray necessisties of function; it's proud manly prow mocking sissy aerodynamics; vibrant stickers boldly proclaiming its very badazzness to all who behold; even enhanced by window slats because "whatsa behind doesn't matter."





Who amongst us can not comprehend this triumph of form over mere function, this paragon of appearance, this end-all-be-all of you are what you seem to be. Why, it is practically damp with the testosterone oozing from its core, errr, surface. Tremble you fools who waste your precious resources on performance none will ever see for I shall smite you with my very image...




... and people wonder where I get my disdain for fake, well, anything.
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Old Aug 31, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TRMach1
The hood on the new Mustangs looks like crap, and needs something to break up the football field sized acreage that the driver has to look out at.
Man, I couldn't disagree more with that. I LOVE the long, sleek hood. It's like a nice, long, slender leg on a hot woman. To me the hood scoop is like a big ol' wart on that leg.
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Old Sep 2, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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Man, I couldn't disagree more with that. I LOVE the long, sleek hood. It's like a nice, long, slender leg on a hot woman. To me the hood scoop is like a big ol' wart on that leg.

Functional Hoods require so much testing, not just crashing but the 3 million organizations that touch a car, that is why we will include something for you do it after you buy it. We at Shelby and Carroll especially are not happy with just a "pretty" hood. We are about function, Carroll was to say the least, very vocal about this.


Amy
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Old Sep 2, 2006 | 03:00 PM
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Scoops spoilers etc. are like make up if done just a little to enhance very good if done to much looks like a tarted up ......
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Old Sep 2, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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thank you amy thats the answer i really wanted to know...thank you, i will be buying a shelby gt, functional hood scoop or not!
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 04:10 PM
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Here is a picture of my hood by Miller Performance that he adapted to be functional. The hood has molded by Miller Performance in Orlando, FL. as a nonfunctional scoop similar to a GTR. I had Dave Miller make it functional by making a fiberglass deflector under the hood intakes.He then built a box to direct the airflow over my Airaid CAI. The second photo is the under side of the hood with the air outlet facing the driver's side fender.(It is the rectangular object). Dave adjusted the outlet to exactly fit the shroud of the Airaid CAI. It works very well. He has since made a mold of the underside of the hood so he can cut his man hours on subsequent hood conversions. For my trouble of giving my hood up a second time to make the mold, he painted the underside Redfire, the same as my car. It really stands out now. I love this hood. He installed hood pins also.




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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 08:06 AM
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That looks good! Thanks for the info Amyb
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 09:32 AM
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Redfire05GT thanks see i am not dreamin out my butt!!!
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