No last word here. I think we should just move on and maybe back to topic.

 

Well I have been detailing cars for 34 years and I suggest that you don't use Armor All on ANYTHING!! I have seen what it does to dashes and tires over time and it ain't pretty. I have used Formula 21 or 303 with NO ill effect for a few years.

 

I don't use Armor All for tires either. I don't give a crap what any website says about 'boiling' or whatever, I can tell you from having used it that Armor All browns tires much faster than other quality tire gloss products.

Credibility given back to Nathan for his good advice.

Credibility taken away from Frank for posting "Don't give credibility to Blue Notch." for being a hypocrite and not backing up his own statement.

Edit: Oh yeah, and back to topic - tacbear - you said only use back to front for 'radial' tires... did you mean 'directional' or all radial tires? Why not do the traditional cross the rears pattern on non-directional tires?

 

I have always rotated every 5000 miles front to rear, back to front - no X pattern - and I've gotten about 50k a set on my old F150. First 100k was on Uniroyal Laredo's (2 sets), the last 150k is on Cooper (3 sets). And I'm pretty good about keeping correct air pressure and paying attention to alignment. About 3/4 highway, 1/4 city miles.
I am doing the same with my Bullitt but I don't think the stock BFG's will go 50k. What's the average life for someone that doesn't burn out very often?

 

I managed to get about 45K out of my first set of stock Pirelli's. That was with some pretty heavy burnouts, and lots of windy roads. I'm at 85K total miles now, and on my second set of Pirelli's. They would probably make it through the winter, but I'm going to replace them in about a month anyway due to the inevitable snow and ice in this area.

 

that Blue notch what a trouble maker .... I saw him using armor all just last week

 

get one of these to help keep an eye on tire wear
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...E3ZBZEZQMFK3HS

 

Your loyalty is impressive.

I'd like to get my credibility back; precisely which of my statements show any hypocrisy? Which statement did I fail to back up. Maybe I didn't say something very well, so it was misinterpreted?

 

I'm glad you can appreciate my loyalty. Loyalty is hard to come by these days, isn't it?

The statement I was referring to was when you said...

... without backing it up as you requested Blue Notch do. Yes, I know you attempted to back up your statement later, as did Nathan, but it's really not the point. Hopefully you see what I (and everyone else) means so we don't have to continue down this pointless sidebar that will surely get this potentially useful thread locked.

 

I guess it is difficult to follow the thread of this disagreement. Any road, I meant no personal attacks, just tried to use an indirect way to point out that sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

I guess the only gosling left around here is Bob, who says regular Armor-all will void a tire's warranty. This potentially useful information may be appropriately posted here, right?

Cheers!

 

^That's the first I've heard of the Armor All tire warranty void thing, too.

 

Yesterday I took the convertible to a Ford dealer for a 5,141.7-mile service (the second; first was at 2,000 miles when I had them change oil to Full Synthetic). My secret markings on the wheels reveal that they rotated the tires according to the Ford literature (see attachment) - but backward, so the left rear ended up on the right front, et cetera!

Before the rotation the two front tires had been used 2,500 miles less than the two rear tires, as I had used the full set of GT500 take-offs for the trip to Terlingua and back. I guess it will all even out over time, and is OK size-wise, because I replaced the original 255 fronts with new 285s.

Terlingua was a lot of fun, but it wasn't all roses (see attachment two).

 

front to back- that's it- ever. believe it or not, tires have a memory. turning them around to rotate in the opposite direction can cause them to fail.

 

I've been around cars a long time and this is the first I'm hearing of this. Any technical analysis or other info avail on this?

 

Tire Rack on Rotation

 

Doesn't matter too much for me on my Mustang. I run a staggerd setup w/ directional tires. No way to rotate anything. Can't go side to side since they're directional and can't go front to back w/ the different sizes.

 

Don't give John any credibility.

 

Nice, Gary!

 

I rotated my tires this morning there was smoke coming off them before I was finished.

staggered set up here also so I think its the best way to do it

 

+1; I didn't know they made smart tires. I'd like to see some info as well.