How much over MSRP are you willing to pay?
3/1/06 | 12:36 PM
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If production stands at 7,000 - 7,500 Shelby's, this works out to 1 or maybe 2 Shelby's per dealership. From what I have gathered from this forum and others, it looks like MSRP is out of the question. Therefore, where do you stand? Are you / will you pay over MSRP?
3/1/06 | 12:55 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Route 66 @ March 1, 2006, 12:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Fix your poll so it includes nothing over MSRP so I can vote.
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I tried as soon as I posted it.
Moderator - can you please insert "Won't pay over MSRP".
Fix your poll so it includes nothing over MSRP so I can vote.
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I tried as soon as I posted it.
Moderator - can you please insert "Won't pay over MSRP".
3/1/06 | 12:59 PM
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I can't fix it in this area, but my vote would be ZERO.
7K-7.5 over 2 years is a heck of a lot of cars. In fact, about equals the Mach 1 run ... I'm not goingover MSRP if all I need to do is wait a few months.
Don't forget, not all dealers are getting them. In fact the Ford dealer closet to me only had 1 Mach I in, but the dealer I bought mine from had many (probably 10-12 total, if not more).
7K-7.5 over 2 years is a heck of a lot of cars. In fact, about equals the Mach 1 run ... I'm not goingover MSRP if all I need to do is wait a few months.
Don't forget, not all dealers are getting them. In fact the Ford dealer closet to me only had 1 Mach I in, but the dealer I bought mine from had many (probably 10-12 total, if not more).
3/1/06 | 03:14 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05stangster @ March 1, 2006, 1:39 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
If production stands at 7,000 - 7,500 Shelby's, this works out to 1 or maybe 2 Shelby's per dealership. From what I have gathered from this forum and others, it looks like MSRP is out of the question. Therefore, where do you stand? Are you / will you pay over MSRP?
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SVT says 9-14K per year, at least 2 years. They will be plentiful in 6-12 months. Don't be a sucker and pay over unless you just can't wait it out. AMV is for suckers.
If production stands at 7,000 - 7,500 Shelby's, this works out to 1 or maybe 2 Shelby's per dealership. From what I have gathered from this forum and others, it looks like MSRP is out of the question. Therefore, where do you stand? Are you / will you pay over MSRP?
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SVT says 9-14K per year, at least 2 years. They will be plentiful in 6-12 months. Don't be a sucker and pay over unless you just can't wait it out. AMV is for suckers.
3/1/06 | 03:24 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crazyhorse @ March 1, 2006, 3:17 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
SVT says 9-14K per year, at least 2 years. They will be plentiful in 6-12 months. Don't be a sucker and pay over unless you just can't wait it out. AMV is for suckers.
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Any confirmation on the 9-14K per year? This is the first I have heard of those numbers. Do they have this on their website or is it word of mouth? Big difference between 7,000 per year and up to 14,000 per year. I thought they were not able to get enough super chargers for that kind of quantity. I hate mind games! I wish Ford would put some solid information out there! Da [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif[/img]
SVT says 9-14K per year, at least 2 years. They will be plentiful in 6-12 months. Don't be a sucker and pay over unless you just can't wait it out. AMV is for suckers.
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Any confirmation on the 9-14K per year? This is the first I have heard of those numbers. Do they have this on their website or is it word of mouth? Big difference between 7,000 per year and up to 14,000 per year. I thought they were not able to get enough super chargers for that kind of quantity. I hate mind games! I wish Ford would put some solid information out there! Da [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif[/img]
3/1/06 | 03:48 PM
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Even 7-9K per year is huge. 9K a year would equal as many Mach's were made over 2 years. And no, no confirmation -- even on the 7K a year. The 7k a year is as verified as the 9-14K (i.e. "sources").
If Ford can sell them, they'll make them. You'd have to love wasting money and be a bit stupid to pay over MSRP.
If Ford can sell them, they'll make them. You'd have to love wasting money and be a bit stupid to pay over MSRP.
3/1/06 | 04:25 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05stangster @ March 1, 2006, 1:39 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
If production stands at 7,000 - 7,500 Shelby's, this works out to 1 or maybe 2 Shelby's per dealership. From what I have gathered from this forum and others, it looks like MSRP is out of the question. Therefore, where do you stand? Are you / will you pay over MSRP?
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Calvin, I know for sure, that any dealer who was a full on SVT will get 2 cars, and SVT Focus dealers will get 1 car, not including the car that you get for signing up for the program, and excluding share of nation, or whatever they are calling it. For us, we weren't SVT, but we will get 1 car, once we sigh up for the Shelby program. There was a letter months ago, on this forum, from Daryl Hazel, Ford's car head honcho, about an idea of allocation. I printed it out, topic #29,726, in the old 2005+ Mustang lead section. Ford should be having a broadcast on our satellite system, to tell us more about how this car will be divied up. That should be within the next mohth or so. Time will tell. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
BTW, from our reps, the total will NOT be 9K to 14K per. We are still hearing 7,500 or so, but that keeps changing depending on who you talk and listen to.
If production stands at 7,000 - 7,500 Shelby's, this works out to 1 or maybe 2 Shelby's per dealership. From what I have gathered from this forum and others, it looks like MSRP is out of the question. Therefore, where do you stand? Are you / will you pay over MSRP?
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Calvin, I know for sure, that any dealer who was a full on SVT will get 2 cars, and SVT Focus dealers will get 1 car, not including the car that you get for signing up for the program, and excluding share of nation, or whatever they are calling it. For us, we weren't SVT, but we will get 1 car, once we sigh up for the Shelby program. There was a letter months ago, on this forum, from Daryl Hazel, Ford's car head honcho, about an idea of allocation. I printed it out, topic #29,726, in the old 2005+ Mustang lead section. Ford should be having a broadcast on our satellite system, to tell us more about how this car will be divied up. That should be within the next mohth or so. Time will tell. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
BTW, from our reps, the total will NOT be 9K to 14K per. We are still hearing 7,500 or so, but that keeps changing depending on who you talk and listen to.
3/1/06 | 04:35 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05fordgt @ March 1, 2006, 4:28 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Calvin, I know for sure, that any dealer who was a full on SVT will get 2 cars, and SVT Focus dealers will get 1 car, not including the car that you get for signing up for the program, and excluding share of nation, or whatever they are calling it. For us, we weren't SVT, but we will get 1 car, once we sigh up for the Shelby program. There was a letter months ago, on this forum, from Daryl Hazel, Ford's car head honcho, about an idea of allocation. I printed it out, topic #29,726, in the old 2005+ Mustang lead section. Ford should be having a broadcast on our satellite system, to tell us more about how this car will be divied up. That should be within the next mohth or so. Time will tell. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
BTW, from our reps, the total will NOT be 9K to 14K per. We are still hearing 7,500 or so, but that keeps changing depending on who you talk and listen to.
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Thank you very much for the straight forward, non insulting answer [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
Calvin, I know for sure, that any dealer who was a full on SVT will get 2 cars, and SVT Focus dealers will get 1 car, not including the car that you get for signing up for the program, and excluding share of nation, or whatever they are calling it. For us, we weren't SVT, but we will get 1 car, once we sigh up for the Shelby program. There was a letter months ago, on this forum, from Daryl Hazel, Ford's car head honcho, about an idea of allocation. I printed it out, topic #29,726, in the old 2005+ Mustang lead section. Ford should be having a broadcast on our satellite system, to tell us more about how this car will be divied up. That should be within the next mohth or so. Time will tell. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
BTW, from our reps, the total will NOT be 9K to 14K per. We are still hearing 7,500 or so, but that keeps changing depending on who you talk and listen to.
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Thank you very much for the straight forward, non insulting answer [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
3/1/06 | 05:21 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05stangster @ March 1, 2006, 5:38 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Thank you very much for the straight forward, non insulting answer [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
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Careful. The Mach is a fine car and it has a large dedicated following on this site.
I responded to your PM. Call SVT, they will tell you somewhere between 7000 and 14,000. My last call (2 weeks ago) said 9-14k. They will decide that when they see how it sells. They will make as many as they can sell over the next 2-3 years. Paying AMV is a mistake. Bookmark this post and come back in 1 year to compare the prices to what people think they will be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Route 66 @ March 1, 2006, 6:02 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Ok, who's the crazy one that will pay over $15,000 more than MSRP. Show your face... I bet it was a dealer just trying to increase the so called over-MSRP value.
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I wondered that, too.
Thank you very much for the straight forward, non insulting answer [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
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Careful. The Mach is a fine car and it has a large dedicated following on this site.
I responded to your PM. Call SVT, they will tell you somewhere between 7000 and 14,000. My last call (2 weeks ago) said 9-14k. They will decide that when they see how it sells. They will make as many as they can sell over the next 2-3 years. Paying AMV is a mistake. Bookmark this post and come back in 1 year to compare the prices to what people think they will be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Route 66 @ March 1, 2006, 6:02 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Ok, who's the crazy one that will pay over $15,000 more than MSRP. Show your face... I bet it was a dealer just trying to increase the so called over-MSRP value.
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I wondered that, too.
3/1/06 | 06:45 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05stangster @ March 1, 2006, 5:38 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Thank you very much for the straight forward, non insulting answer [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
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Hey Calvin, no problem at all. Glad to help out. I'd never insult. I just want to make it known that there are some salespeople out there who care to help the customer 1st and formost. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
Thank you very much for the straight forward, non insulting answer [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img] And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
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Hey Calvin, no problem at all. Glad to help out. I'd never insult. I just want to make it known that there are some salespeople out there who care to help the customer 1st and formost. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]
3/1/06 | 07:14 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05stangster @ March 1, 2006, 4:38 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
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Strangely, your logic plays against you. Price wise, you're right, its not .. But, if people paid 5-10K over sticker for a Mach 1, and then a year or so later they sold at MSRP or below (mostly below) how in the world do you think they'll find a market for 14000-20000 40K-45K cars that have been marked up an additional x amount?
It doesn't make sense.
By the way, I didn't see one insulting post in any of the previous ones. Are you saying mine was? it surely wasn't meant to be, but if pointing out paying over MSRP is beyond silly, I guess I'm insulting.
And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
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Strangely, your logic plays against you. Price wise, you're right, its not .. But, if people paid 5-10K over sticker for a Mach 1, and then a year or so later they sold at MSRP or below (mostly below) how in the world do you think they'll find a market for 14000-20000 40K-45K cars that have been marked up an additional x amount?
It doesn't make sense.
By the way, I didn't see one insulting post in any of the previous ones. Are you saying mine was? it surely wasn't meant to be, but if pointing out paying over MSRP is beyond silly, I guess I'm insulting.
3/1/06 | 08:19 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05stangster @ March 1, 2006, 5:38 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
I had the good fortune to pay MSRP for the "only 6500 to be made" Mach 1 in Dec 2002. The dealer orders for the car were around 8000 within the first couple of months. People were paying over MSRP like crazy. Ford responded by increasing the production numbers within 5 months of when they started selling. Two months later, we got word they were going to make them in 2004. Within 9 months, the $3000+ rebates started appearing.
I suspect Ford market planners will be forecasting the demand more carefully for this car. I also believe they will balance the total number predicted against production capacity and the expected sales increases over the course of 2007. If recent history is an indicator, people will be able to get one without the need to pay over MSRP.
My final answer - not over MSRP and below if possible.
And we both know, as do others, that the Mach 1 mentioned above is not even in the same league as the Shelby.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]
I had the good fortune to pay MSRP for the "only 6500 to be made" Mach 1 in Dec 2002. The dealer orders for the car were around 8000 within the first couple of months. People were paying over MSRP like crazy. Ford responded by increasing the production numbers within 5 months of when they started selling. Two months later, we got word they were going to make them in 2004. Within 9 months, the $3000+ rebates started appearing.
I suspect Ford market planners will be forecasting the demand more carefully for this car. I also believe they will balance the total number predicted against production capacity and the expected sales increases over the course of 2007. If recent history is an indicator, people will be able to get one without the need to pay over MSRP.
My final answer - not over MSRP and below if possible.
