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So, let's do a run down.
1) Has the dealer tested your alternator? May not be rectifying the AC properly. Ever seen a vehicle with a crazy alternator? I have. I've even had my alt. go out on me while driving down the high way. If it's pumping any kind of AC through the electrical system, a lot of things will go awry.
2) I can see how EPAS would lock up during an electrical failure but not the brakes. They are vacuum assisted, so if the engine is on, so are the brakes unless all power is completely cut. A running engine without power is totally conceivable with carburetors, but not with all the electronics of today's engines. So unless there are some major blown fuses or ABS locked up the system, I am incredibly confused here.
3) Did you drive the car home? Obviously. So no problems at all besides the one in the school parking lot?
Not trying to be nit picky, just want to play this out. Cars are a pain in the ***. I'll let you know more when I own an old M5.
1) Has the dealer tested your alternator? May not be rectifying the AC properly. Ever seen a vehicle with a crazy alternator? I have. I've even had my alt. go out on me while driving down the high way. If it's pumping any kind of AC through the electrical system, a lot of things will go awry.
2) I can see how EPAS would lock up during an electrical failure but not the brakes. They are vacuum assisted, so if the engine is on, so are the brakes unless all power is completely cut. A running engine without power is totally conceivable with carburetors, but not with all the electronics of today's engines. So unless there are some major blown fuses or ABS locked up the system, I am incredibly confused here.
3) Did you drive the car home? Obviously. So no problems at all besides the one in the school parking lot?
Not trying to be nit picky, just want to play this out. Cars are a pain in the ***. I'll let you know more when I own an old M5.
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So, let's do a run down.
1) Has the dealer tested your alternator? May not be rectifying the AC properly. Ever seen a vehicle with a crazy alternator? I have. I've even had my alt. go out on me while driving down the high way. If it's pumping any kind of AC through the electrical system, a lot of things will go awry.
2) I can see how EPAS would lock up during an electrical failure but not the brakes. They are vacuum assisted, so if the engine is on, so are the brakes unless all power is completely cut. A running engine without power is totally conceivable with carburetors, but not with all the electronics of today's engines. So unless there are some major blown fuses or ABS locked up the system, I am incredibly confused here.
3) Did you drive the car home? Obviously. So no problems at all besides the one in the school parking lot?
Not trying to be nit picky, just want to play this out. Cars are a pain in the ***. I'll let you know more when I own an old M5.
1) Has the dealer tested your alternator? May not be rectifying the AC properly. Ever seen a vehicle with a crazy alternator? I have. I've even had my alt. go out on me while driving down the high way. If it's pumping any kind of AC through the electrical system, a lot of things will go awry.
2) I can see how EPAS would lock up during an electrical failure but not the brakes. They are vacuum assisted, so if the engine is on, so are the brakes unless all power is completely cut. A running engine without power is totally conceivable with carburetors, but not with all the electronics of today's engines. So unless there are some major blown fuses or ABS locked up the system, I am incredibly confused here.
3) Did you drive the car home? Obviously. So no problems at all besides the one in the school parking lot?
Not trying to be nit picky, just want to play this out. Cars are a pain in the ***. I'll let you know more when I own an old M5.
1.) Yes, the dealership tested all the electronics in the vehicle last week before this happened, everything was in perfect working condition. In fact two separate dealerships tested the vehicle and came and got the same perfect results.
3.) No, I did not drive the vehicle home, the key was locked in the ignition and I could not move it or remove it, and the steering wheel and brakes were still locked, and I could not turn the engine back on after it shut down. I called the head dealership manager on his personal cell phone and he had a tow truck come pick up the car and drag it back to their service area.
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This sounds like an old Grand Prix my parents had when I was younger.
That car would randomly die without warning. Things were a bit different on cars in 91 so there was still some brakes and steering, but with no power, still very difficult to use.
Unfortunately in that case the dealerships could never find the problem and so it was never resolved.
I hope in your case that the problem area can be found!
That car would randomly die without warning. Things were a bit different on cars in 91 so there was still some brakes and steering, but with no power, still very difficult to use.
Unfortunately in that case the dealerships could never find the problem and so it was never resolved.
I hope in your case that the problem area can be found!
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Hopefully nothing crazy has happened like moisture or battery fluid in the electronics. When a dealership tests the electronics I always wonder what all the test. Reason I say that is because if they just hook up the battery and test the ECM, or PCM whatever you want to call it then that defeats the purpose of the overall system. I mean, just testing the local electronics won't really tell you anything unless there is an over voltage flag set in the ECM.
I'm not saying you've done anything wrong. Now that the dealer sees the entire problem I hope they do some actual digging. I ask the electrical questions because I used to do stereo install and electronics for military vehicles. I've seen all kinds of wild power issues.
I'm not saying you've done anything wrong. Now that the dealer sees the entire problem I hope they do some actual digging. I ask the electrical questions because I used to do stereo install and electronics for military vehicles. I've seen all kinds of wild power issues.
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This sounds like an old Grand Prix my parents had when I was younger.
That car would randomly die without warning. Things were a bit different on cars in 91 so there was still some brakes and steering, but with no power, still very difficult to use.
Unfortunately in that case the dealerships could never find the problem and so it was never resolved.
I hope in your case that the problem area can be found!
That car would randomly die without warning. Things were a bit different on cars in 91 so there was still some brakes and steering, but with no power, still very difficult to use.
Unfortunately in that case the dealerships could never find the problem and so it was never resolved.
I hope in your case that the problem area can be found!
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I really appreciate your help trying to sort out this mess of a situation with me, anything helps as I am clueless right now about this whole deal.
1.) Yes, the dealership tested all the electronics in the vehicle last week before this happened, everything was in perfect working condition. In fact two separate dealerships tested the vehicle and came and got the same perfect results.
3.) No, I did not drive the vehicle home, the key was locked in the ignition and I could not move it or remove it, and the steering wheel and brakes were still locked, and I could not turn the engine back on after it shut down. I called the head dealership manager on his personal cell phone and he had a tow truck come pick up the car and drag it back to their service area.
1.) Yes, the dealership tested all the electronics in the vehicle last week before this happened, everything was in perfect working condition. In fact two separate dealerships tested the vehicle and came and got the same perfect results.
3.) No, I did not drive the vehicle home, the key was locked in the ignition and I could not move it or remove it, and the steering wheel and brakes were still locked, and I could not turn the engine back on after it shut down. I called the head dealership manager on his personal cell phone and he had a tow truck come pick up the car and drag it back to their service area.
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What aftermarket electronics are on the car? Big stereo? Neons? Anything like that?
Also you made a comment that you made a slow shift. However you then tell us you have an auto. Do you normally drive this way? (reason for asking involves ignition lock)
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Also you made a comment that you made a slow shift. However you then tell us you have an auto. Do you normally drive this way? (reason for asking involves ignition lock)
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Hi theACE,
My name is Deysha with Ford Customer Service. Has this issue been resolved for you? I’d like to know to see how I can help as well. Please message me with the info and your VIN if you need me.
Deysha
My name is Deysha with Ford Customer Service. Has this issue been resolved for you? I’d like to know to see how I can help as well. Please message me with the info and your VIN if you need me.
Deysha
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What aftermarket electronics are on the car? Big stereo? Neons? Anything like that?
Also you made a comment that you made a slow shift. However you then tell us you have an auto. Do you normally drive this way? (reason for asking involves ignition lock)
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Also you made a comment that you made a slow shift. However you then tell us you have an auto. Do you normally drive this way? (reason for asking involves ignition lock)
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Everything on the car is entirely stock except for the exterior OEM parts, also what I meant by slow shift is that I didn't just slap the automatic transmission shifter from drive to reverse and back to drive like some people do. Sorry for confusion, no I do not drive with the 1-2-3 portion of the auto shifter.
Good luck!
Phil
