Came across an article about the new camaro on leftlanenews and seems sad that it will out power the mustang. The 4 banger has more power than the current V6 and the 6 banger will have more power than the current V8. Tell me ford is noticing this and will finally give the new mustang the hp boost we have all wanted.

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The motor under consideration is the 2.0-liter turbocharged I4 found in the Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Red Line, Vice Chairman Bob Lutz told Automotive News. Delivering 260 horsepower, the engine is no slouch. That said, it will be interesting to see if GM can quite literally sell the idea of a four-banger in a muscle car.
The V6 Mustang delivers just 210 horsepower, and the V6 Dodge Challenger will offer 250 — that means the four-cylinder Camaro would actually be more powerful than both those models. The V6 Camaro, on the other hand, will deliver 306 horsepower via the same engine as the Cadillac CTS.

 

Power isn't everything....even if the mustang is slightly underpowered...

Chill it'll be alright

 

Really! My 79 Capri turbo was slightly overpowered Compared to the GM V8s in 79-81

 

under or overpowered?

And by my comment...think ... power/weight

 

Mustangs have been out-powered by the comptetion before and the upcoming rally from the Challenger/Camaro will be no different. Overall performance is what matters, as well as cost/appeal to the consumer. There are plenty of cars right now that out-power the Mustang GT. But what is the better seller? That's right, the Mustang. And more V-6's are sold than any other Mustang too. One out of every two convertibles sold is a Mustang! Many people want more power, but it can't keep going up and up. The new engine for the upcoming redesigned Mustang will have more power, but won't be in the 400-425hp range. That will be saved for a SE like the Mach 1 or Boss. Regular GT's will see 325-350hp is my guess. Mustang-the world's most successful sports car!

 

I don't think that's going to be enough compared to the camaro-that is if they come stock with an LS3--just praying that they don't.
The camaro might just be in an another class of mucle car if they do.
What will the price be on an SE mustang be 35k??

 

A couple of thoughts.

1. I would get really excited if Ford would pay more attention to the Weight part of the power/weight ratio, thus giving me better gas mileage, handling, and making my hp that much more significant. That said, the Mustang still has a lot less fat than the Chally and I think the Camaro too (thought I read that the Camaro will be in the 4k range, am I wrong?).

2. There are more and more cars that make close to or more power than my GT, for example, like the Hyundai Genesis. However, in 30 years I'm going to bet the number of folks looking back on the good old days of owning a Hyundai Genesis is going to be pretty darn small compared to the Mustang. There are always new heights to bragging rights, at the end of the day it just matters that you like your car. Like the old adage goes, any car can be faster with enough money.

3. I want a retrofit Ecoboost kit for my 4.6, even if they name it Gas-Guzzler-Boost! lol I know, I know, it's just TT, I just think it would be cool to apply some snappy engine technology to my already well liked 8cyl.

 

Want to make a bet

 

Then I guess 375-400hp.

 

I too would greatly appreciate a bit of a weight loss program for the nect gen Mustang. I know Ford must mass market these cars and build them affordale and reliable, but in looking at the Chally that weight is just nasty. I hope and pray Ford outthinks the competition on this one and sees the benefits of sharpening the pencil and reducing weight. From what I've seen the curent Mustang performs equally to the Chally SRT8 losing out on HP but winning on lighter weight. Would you rather drive a 4150 lb. behemoth with IRS, or a 3400 lb. car with SRA?

 

Uh oh, IRS vs SRA... where's the beating the dead horse smiley? More power is always welcome, but I whole heartedly agree with the hope Ford also focuses more on a weight reduction approach towards future vehicle designs because it can result in a win-win situation for overall vehicle performance and fuel consumption.

 

And this is exactly where the future of the Mustang lies with regards to overall optimum performance. When a 250lb.man goes on a diet, he's so much faster than before with the same overall parts intact. Remember that Ford said well over a year ago that the new Boss would feature many weight saving measures and produce somewhere between 375-400hp. Let's suppose that the dressed weight will be 3400lbs. This would be the equivilant of a 450+hp car against the portly Callenger and Camaro which will handily beat either of them in any contest. This is what I am talking about. Motorcycle development focuses on weight loss and mass centralization with great success. Cars are no different, but yet an area that for the most part that is still untouched. Yes I know, safety comes at a price of weight gain, but only if you don't focus on it. Why were the SC Cobras so fast? Gee, I don't know. Have you ever seen a fat man win a marathon?
And Boomer, I will wager a bet with you. But keep in mind: when was the last time Ford upped the previous Mustang with a 30%+ gain in a regular GT? I've had quite a few GT's that never realized the HP gain you are hoping for. We might see it in a SE, but not in the "base" GT.

 

Yeah, I'd like to see Ford take a bit more holistic approach to speed rather than just jamming ever bigger, more powerful motors in ever heavier, thirstier, clumsier cars. While they might have been able to get away with this rather ham handed approach in pre 35mpg, <$3/gal. days.

With the S197, Ford seemed to initially hint that it would be a sort of poor mans BMW 3 series/M3, but as its development became ever more delayed, expensive and tortured, it sort of contracted back to a more simple-headed muscle car format as best illustrated by the oh-so-powerful, oh-so-heavy GT500 blunderbuss.

But hey, gas was cheap, mileage irrelevent, overpriced homes were virtual ATMs and direct competition non-existant, so Ford could proceed with Chaneyesque disdain and roll out the cars they wanted to build as much as the cars they ought to build. It did work well enough in that environment, quite well, but that was the past and 201X is shaping up to be significantly different on pretty much all fronts.


Basically I could see modest increases in actual power, though with much greater efficiency, coupled with perhaps a slight trimming in size, a much more serious stint at the fat farm and a much improved chassis and brakes to far better utilize the speed the motor does generate.

Yeah, that would be a step away from the straight-line focused Dreadnought approach of the current Stang but would be more a return to the character originally portrayed for the S197 and perhaps a bit closer to the original Pony Car ethos of the original Stang, which was a bit of a counterpoint to the muscle car idiom of its day.

 

Whats the wager

And no..it won't be 3400lbs
that's a lil' unrealistic.

 

You got it. It's time Ford takes a long hard look at going back to minimalistic ways. That in itself will garner enviable performance (along with a slight bump in HP).

 

I'll let you decide what the wager is, but be realistic (for your own sake!). 3400lbs. was just a number I pulled, but then again, in the right development hands, this wouldn't be all that far off. Many people claim they want a light powerful car but won't forego the nice ammenities they've become used to (A/C, stereo, power windows, etc.)That in itself would save some pounds before even getting into construction materials. Ford won't spend a lot of time on a low production car (and low profit), so it would have to be mainstreamed into the whole model line. This idea remains to be seen but definitely an area worth pursuing for the future.

 

I'll put it to you this way...

If the 5.0 4v gets 380-400hp (rumoured) and better gas mileage than the 4.6 3v at 300hp...

Do you really think they will keep the 4.6 around and waste the 5.0 only on a Special Edition type car?
or GT the 5.0 and choke it to 350hp?

The wager?
You have to buy a clue if you lose.

 

Please give me an engine that offers a comparable power to weight ratio to its competitiors, I don't need to have an engine that is the gross output king, I just need an engine that matches or betters the power to weight ratio of the other guys.

 

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