View Poll Results: What do you think we will see as the bump in HP for the 2010 4.6?
Bullitt spec: 315hp
34
31.19%
A few more tweaks: 316-325hp
56
51.38%
Significant changes: 326-350hp
18
16.51%
Major increase: 350hp or more
1
0.92%
Voters: 109. You may not vote on this poll
Place your bets! What do you think (NOT WANT) the 2010 4.6 will be putting out?
10/21/08 | 09:36 AM
#21
I Have No Life
Joined: January 30, 2004
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From: Canada
While I agree a year may be a waste to design/pay for,
but, they have done that with S/Es for a while this would be no different.
Infact the prices would be cheaper for those parts as they would be more mass produced than for the 5-10,000 Bullitts.
Also, there may be power adding parts that can carry over...ie: Exhaust components + a new tune.
but, they have done that with S/Es for a while this would be no different.
Infact the prices would be cheaper for those parts as they would be more mass produced than for the 5-10,000 Bullitts.
Also, there may be power adding parts that can carry over...ie: Exhaust components + a new tune.
10/21/08 | 10:07 AM
#23
Cobra R Member
Joined: May 17, 2007
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From: London, ON. Canada
I'm saying 325hp.
I saw a Mustang race car on Barrett-Jackson on the weekend and it was putting out 325hp. When I saw that car and the 325hp rating I thought to myself- that's what their gonna do with the 2010 engine.
The Bullitt's performance times were pretty close to the 425hp Challenger's. So another 10hp. just might be enough for them to top the heavier Challenger.
I'm pretty sure Ford would want to beat performance times of Dodge and Chevy, so they bump the HP up enough to be competitive.
I saw a Mustang race car on Barrett-Jackson on the weekend and it was putting out 325hp. When I saw that car and the 325hp rating I thought to myself- that's what their gonna do with the 2010 engine.
The Bullitt's performance times were pretty close to the 425hp Challenger's. So another 10hp. just might be enough for them to top the heavier Challenger.
I'm pretty sure Ford would want to beat performance times of Dodge and Chevy, so they bump the HP up enough to be competitive.
10/21/08 | 01:05 PM
#24
Mach 1 Member
Joined: August 19, 2006
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Actually, the 5.4 makes 310/365 on gas and 320/390 on E85. People on the f150 forums are raising cane because its weakest in class. Plus, its the heaviest truck. Its a great truck no doubt but they are suffering as well for those of us that want the 5.0 now.
10/21/08 | 01:57 PM
#25
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Joined: May 13, 2004
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From: Berkeley/Redwood City, CA
I think 325 is pretty doable for ford, reasonably. Anywhere in that range of under 326 and above bullitt spec is where I see the next 4.6L.
krnpimpsta made some very good points about the cost of too much engineering for a one year engine that isn't going to matter that much, in the long run.
krnpimpsta made some very good points about the cost of too much engineering for a one year engine that isn't going to matter that much, in the long run.
10/22/08 | 02:14 PM
#28
I'd say 325. I doubt, what with the 5.0 coming out in less than a year, that they'd spend much time and effort on the old 4.6. My guess is basically Bullitt specs with perhaps a few tweaks to get out a bit more power on premium fuel (325hp) or maybe only about 315hp for those who run 87 octane swill.
10/23/08 | 04:57 PM
#29
Legacy TMS Member
Joined: May 16, 2004
Posts: 5,201
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From: Bristol, TN
Jeez, talk about no perspective, I can remeber when the 5.0 F150's put out less than 200hp and alot of people where fine with it.
10/23/08 | 08:53 PM
#31
^DUH^
10/24/08 | 09:26 AM
#33
Cobra R Member
Joined: September 26, 2007
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From: Massachusetts
I'm wondering if the 10' Mustangs will sell at bargain prices once the 11' news becomes more public. I know that the new for 08' WRX took a beating from both the press and fan base for being underpowered and soft. Now, after just one model year Subaru has retuned the new 09' WRX with 40HP, better suspension etc...Now brand new first model year 08' WRXs are sitting on lots and selling cheap.
10/24/08 | 02:10 PM
#35
Shelby GT500 Member
Joined: July 21, 2004
Posts: 2,924
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From: New Jersey
Bullet spec. If anything, 5hp more than bullet spec. No reason to waste time & effort (i.e., money) on something that is going end-of-life in one year.
Yes, we can all easily make 340hp on our 4.6L with an intake and tune, but it will not meet all emission standards in all the mustangs (even if YOURS does, that does not mean 100% of the cars off the assembly line will meet standards with the same mods).
Think about what is really involved in adding horsepower beyond bullet spec:
1) They will have to redesign new components (intake, MAF housing, exhaust components, etc).
2) Redesign means draw it up on a CAD, run simulations, manufacture prototypes, test, revise, go back to redesign, and repeat X times.
* Engineers for this will cost at least $100/hour (actual cost of an engineer + cost of their manager + the cost of the 7-10 managers above them to the CEO + the facility/equipment used to design + etc)
3) These new components will not only have to meet increased power ratings, but will have to be tested to meet all laws/regulations/safety/etc. Return to step 2.
4) If after all this you have a component that works well with everythings else in the car, doesn't break any laws, doesn't compromise any other part of the system, etc, etc, etc, and the car STILL makes more power than when you started, then SUCCESS!
Now you can go create, design, and manufacture tooling to actually mass produce this component. Then make sure that there are no flaws in your mass production process that make your component perform differently than your prototype.
Really? All that work for 20hp? When this entire engine design is going to be scrapped in 1 year?
Yeah, right. Dream on, this engine is not going to produce over 320-325hp, and if it even goes THAT high, it will probably be from clever computer/electronic tricks. My bet is on 315hp.
Yes, we can all easily make 340hp on our 4.6L with an intake and tune, but it will not meet all emission standards in all the mustangs (even if YOURS does, that does not mean 100% of the cars off the assembly line will meet standards with the same mods).
Think about what is really involved in adding horsepower beyond bullet spec:
1) They will have to redesign new components (intake, MAF housing, exhaust components, etc).
2) Redesign means draw it up on a CAD, run simulations, manufacture prototypes, test, revise, go back to redesign, and repeat X times.
* Engineers for this will cost at least $100/hour (actual cost of an engineer + cost of their manager + the cost of the 7-10 managers above them to the CEO + the facility/equipment used to design + etc)
3) These new components will not only have to meet increased power ratings, but will have to be tested to meet all laws/regulations/safety/etc. Return to step 2.
4) If after all this you have a component that works well with everythings else in the car, doesn't break any laws, doesn't compromise any other part of the system, etc, etc, etc, and the car STILL makes more power than when you started, then SUCCESS!
Now you can go create, design, and manufacture tooling to actually mass produce this component. Then make sure that there are no flaws in your mass production process that make your component perform differently than your prototype.
Really? All that work for 20hp? When this entire engine design is going to be scrapped in 1 year?
Yeah, right. Dream on, this engine is not going to produce over 320-325hp, and if it even goes THAT high, it will probably be from clever computer/electronic tricks. My bet is on 315hp.
10/24/08 | 02:30 PM
#36
Bullitt Member
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A number of folks who are frequently right about such things have repeatedly said that the 5.0 will have more hp AND better mileage than the 4.6, even on 87 octane. We may have to wait for DI to get everything, but the 5.0 is coming as the standard, and the 4.6 is dead.
Ford can't afford to produce two engines so similar, and if the 5.0 reality measures up to the (informed) speculation, there will be neither need nor desire to continue the 4.6...
Ford can't afford to produce two engines so similar, and if the 5.0 reality measures up to the (informed) speculation, there will be neither need nor desire to continue the 4.6...
10/25/08 | 01:43 AM
#38
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10/25/08 | 06:52 AM
#40
Cobra R Member
Joined: May 17, 2007
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From: London, ON. Canada
I'm glad you wrote this, because this is what I was going to write. Basically, if they can squeeze a little more out of it for the single year left by bolting cheap stuff on, they will. Internal changes etc I really can't see due to time and expense of a single year change. Economics being what they are right now, I voted Bullit spec.