View Poll Results: What do you think we will see as the bump in HP for the 2010 4.6?
Bullitt spec: 315hp
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31.19%
A few more tweaks: 316-325hp
56
51.38%
Significant changes: 326-350hp
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16.51%
Major increase: 350hp or more
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0.92%
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Place your bets! What do you think (NOT WANT) the 2010 4.6 will be putting out?
10/20/08, 07:02 PM
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Place your bets! What do you think (NOT WANT) the 2010 4.6 will be putting out?
So we know that we are getting the 4.6 in 2010, but we also know that it is going to get a bump in power. What do you think we can realistically look for as far as hp goes in 2010? 
10/20/08, 07:38 PM
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Same 300 HP. I hope not but it is possible. Unless they can do it and reduce gas mileage at the same time. HP may be seen in only the limited models out side the GT.
Ford hasn't followed along yet. I'm Happy with my horse power and I like the gas mileage. I just wish they would find a way to make the lower end stronger so those of us who do want to modify will have a bullet proof motor to work with. I say forged innards.
Ford hasn't followed along yet. I'm Happy with my horse power and I like the gas mileage. I just wish they would find a way to make the lower end stronger so those of us who do want to modify will have a bullet proof motor to work with. I say forged innards.
10/20/08, 07:46 PM
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10/21/08, 06:38 AM
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Bullet spec. If anything, 5hp more than bullet spec. No reason to waste time & effort (i.e., money) on something that is going end-of-life in one year.
Yes, we can all easily make 340hp on our 4.6L with an intake and tune, but it will not meet all emission standards in all the mustangs (even if YOURS does, that does not mean 100% of the cars off the assembly line will meet standards with the same mods).
Think about what is really involved in adding horsepower beyond bullet spec:
1) They will have to redesign new components (intake, MAF housing, exhaust components, etc).
2) Redesign means draw it up on a CAD, run simulations, manufacture prototypes, test, revise, go back to redesign, and repeat X times.
* Engineers for this will cost at least $100/hour (actual cost of an engineer + cost of their manager + the cost of the 7-10 managers above them to the CEO + the facility/equipment used to design + etc)
3) These new components will not only have to meet increased power ratings, but will have to be tested to meet all laws/regulations/safety/etc. Return to step 2.
4) If after all this you have a component that works well with everythings else in the car, doesn't break any laws, doesn't compromise any other part of the system, etc, etc, etc, and the car STILL makes more power than when you started, then SUCCESS!
Now you can go create, design, and manufacture tooling to actually mass produce this component. Then make sure that there are no flaws in your mass production process that make your component perform differently than your prototype.
Really? All that work for 20hp? When this entire engine design is going to be scrapped in 1 year?
Yeah, right. Dream on, this engine is not going to produce over 320-325hp, and if it even goes THAT high, it will probably be from clever computer/electronic tricks. My bet is on 315hp.
Yes, we can all easily make 340hp on our 4.6L with an intake and tune, but it will not meet all emission standards in all the mustangs (even if YOURS does, that does not mean 100% of the cars off the assembly line will meet standards with the same mods).
Think about what is really involved in adding horsepower beyond bullet spec:
1) They will have to redesign new components (intake, MAF housing, exhaust components, etc).
2) Redesign means draw it up on a CAD, run simulations, manufacture prototypes, test, revise, go back to redesign, and repeat X times.
* Engineers for this will cost at least $100/hour (actual cost of an engineer + cost of their manager + the cost of the 7-10 managers above them to the CEO + the facility/equipment used to design + etc)
3) These new components will not only have to meet increased power ratings, but will have to be tested to meet all laws/regulations/safety/etc. Return to step 2.
4) If after all this you have a component that works well with everythings else in the car, doesn't break any laws, doesn't compromise any other part of the system, etc, etc, etc, and the car STILL makes more power than when you started, then SUCCESS!
Now you can go create, design, and manufacture tooling to actually mass produce this component. Then make sure that there are no flaws in your mass production process that make your component perform differently than your prototype.
Really? All that work for 20hp? When this entire engine design is going to be scrapped in 1 year?
Yeah, right. Dream on, this engine is not going to produce over 320-325hp, and if it even goes THAT high, it will probably be from clever computer/electronic tricks. My bet is on 315hp.
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10/21/08, 06:43 AM
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And I don't think a 340hp mustang will sell that many more models than 315hp mustang that it will offset all those costs. It already has lots of new features to attract buyers.
Heck, I see lots of people still buying 08's and 09's on this forum. The 2010 mustang, with its ridiculous laundry list of features, and possibly reduced weight (pre-5.0L), will have no problems at +15hp over our current model.
Heck, I see lots of people still buying 08's and 09's on this forum. The 2010 mustang, with its ridiculous laundry list of features, and possibly reduced weight (pre-5.0L), will have no problems at +15hp over our current model.
