The 2017 Camaro wins except for the GT 350 and the 2013+ Gt 500.

 

The Chief Engineer for the Camaro said the 1LE package "won't have any problems" with the GT350. I can't wait to see the head 2 heads and see the numbers.

I love these muscle/sports car wars. They make all these cars better and better.

 

The GT350?!?! A ZL1 would/will make the GT350 look slow in the 1/4 mile.
Are you taking road course or 1/4 mile? I "would think" the ZL1 would handle itself pretty good in a road course too. Don't quote me as saying it will.

 

The 350 is not a drag car and I'm pretty sure that Ford has a ZL1 killer
on the way.

 

I hope so. And I hope it's called the new GT500, because "more than likely", I will buy it.

 

Wins what...the first to ugly?

 

In my humble opinion that would be the S550. Or as i like to call it Large-mouth Bass Fusion coupe with a smashed up rear end.

On looks alone I'd take a '17 Camaro over the S550 every day of the week and twice on the weekends. Not to mention the superior performance.

 

That's what is great about having fun with each other on this forum! You couldn't pay me to drive that butt ugly no matter which angle you look at it crapmaro.

 

See, you are on to something here. Honestly, between the S550 or 17 Crapmaro, I prefer the Crapmaro. But if you ask me our S197 over the 17 crapmaro, hmmmm that's a toughie

 

If my ugly 2014 GT would have the performance and handling of a 2017 SS Camaro I
would really be happy.

 

THIS! They're both great cars (Challenger too) and I'll take all 3 over the alternative muscle cars/sports coupes/pony cars.

 

What this guy said.

 

We all have our preferences, and we all like our S197s. I was close to getting a '14 Camaro, but I decided on the Mustang instead, and I have no regrets! I love my car, I drive the **** out of it, and I'm in no rush to replace it.

But if something happened, I can't stomach the looks of an S550. Challengers are not really track cars, so the only logical choice for me would be the SS. Hopefully the next gen Mustang is better looking. I'm not mind-locked on one brand, I appreciate all the sports cars, and it comes down to looks, performance, value and quality.

 

Your 2014 GT can have the performance and handling of a 2017 Crapmaro SS.. It's called aftermarket modding

 

What other alternative muscle/pony cars ? Other than Mustang, Camaro and Challenger there aren't any others, except for Charger

 

I must be the rare S197 owner who loves the rear of the S550, even more than the '13-'14. The front, I've ambivalent, except on the GT350(R) which is awesome.

From a looks perspective I'd take a comparable S550 to a new Camaro, plus I'm slightly claustrophobic so I had issues with the windows in the Camaro I rented. But man Chevy is stepping it up with performance.

Check out the offerings from Pontiac, Plymouth, Oldsmo... oh.

 

Not to sound like a smarta$$ but what else would the Camaro's chief engineer say? "We've got a great car but the competition's offering is better!" In reality the 1LE package is a track car so it should be compared to the GT350 R, not the standard GT350. Apples to apples comparo's for me thanks. IF that's what were to happen, I seriously doubt it would be a cake walk for the Camaro.


For what it's worth, in my opinion, when the comparable variants of each mark are compared to each other, the Camaro and Mustang are so close in performance you could toss a blanket over them. Nobody really loses in this war! As you said Monster, it's a good time to be muscle car fan! The rising tide is lifting all boats!


John

 

Good point John - hard to lose picking from that lot. The performance for each of the cars nowadays is stellar as it is. That being said, choosing one based on looks (or reliability, price, value, etc...) may have more merit.

I just got done looking at the pics again. Yep, I like the 17 ZL1 Crapmaro's looks more and more. Seeing it in person (granted, just an SS) changed things for me. And yes, I've seen a couple GT350's in person. I'm still lukewarm over the S550's looks. I don't "dislike" it anymore, but it's looks are just meh.... not good, not bad. Just lukewarm.

 

not mad....

 

John, I have to respectfully disagree. 1LE is a SS package like PP is a GT package. The GT350 and 350R are a whole another trim level. So technically the Chief should say that the new SS 1LE will be faster than the GT PP. The problem is the stock SS already IS faster than the GT PP. So they have to aim higher.

The next Z28 is the contender against the GT350R.

The base SS is ~40k. The 1LE package will be another $6 or 7k. So if a $47k 1SS 1LE is in fact faster than a $55k GT350, that's a double win for Chevrolet. $63K 350R is not apples to apples with a $47k SS 1LE.

This pony war is great for everyone, I totally agree. I just hope Ford opens their eyes to the performance bargain benchmark these cars need to aim for.