My new Mustang
2/12/16 | 10:14 AM
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Nice car OP! 
I own 2 s197 currently and love them both. I really like the new body style too....does that make me as rare as a unicorn
. One of my s197s is a 2014 gt500 and the other is a 3.5 ecoboost swap that I'm just getting finished. I owned the gt500 for two years before building the ecoboost car. If I owned a 700 RWHP mustang why would I spend nearly a year and a pile of money to build a v6 mustang? My answer is why I think ford offers a turbo 4 cyl.
My DD is a 2013 ecoboost supercrew with a tune and it's a blast to drive. I surprise people at red lights all the time, it's fast for a truck. I raced a challenger RT the other day and hung dead even to the next light. Ecoboost turbos are a lot of fun, even if your missing the v8 sound. My Shelby is loud, it snarls and pops and gets lots of attention and no one ever wants to race me. It's so fast that unless it's a race-car pulling they don't even have a chance. I built the ecoboost car to be a sleeper, quiet until I hammer down. Plus I will beat stock v8 mustangs with ease, 500-550 RWHP for phase 1 and 800 RWHP after a bottom end rebuild for phase 2. Can you imagine how fun it will be to beat v8 corvettes, camaros, and mustangs with a 3.5 v6? It will be a hilarious to me!
Ford made a turbo 4 cyl to get you guys ready for the future of mustangs. When they come out with the 3.5 ecoboost for the stang the v8 will become the mid engine choice just like it has for the trucks. They have already done this with the raptor and the ford GT, the mustang is just a matter of time. The mustang 4cyl ecoboost are running deep in to the 10s now! I don't think they will ever get rid of the v8 though, to many fans.
I drove a s550 at a road course race-track. I made laps all day in my track pack Shelby and then jumped in to a friends s550 GT for a lap. Obviously it's wasn't as powerful but the handling was a vast improvement over my Shelby. The gt500 wiggles and sways through the corners, but the s550 was solid. I was pushing the limit of the tires on the s550'the entire time and I still felt like I was in control.
Just to be clear I love my Shelby and will never sell it. It's a sledge hammer of epic proportions and it's the last of its kind. I would be shocked if you ever see another engine this size offered in a mustang. I have plans to buy the next gt500 whenever that comes out, I'm sure I will love it too even if it's a twin turbo V6.
I own 2 s197 currently and love them both. I really like the new body style too....does that make me as rare as a unicorn
. One of my s197s is a 2014 gt500 and the other is a 3.5 ecoboost swap that I'm just getting finished. I owned the gt500 for two years before building the ecoboost car. If I owned a 700 RWHP mustang why would I spend nearly a year and a pile of money to build a v6 mustang? My answer is why I think ford offers a turbo 4 cyl.My DD is a 2013 ecoboost supercrew with a tune and it's a blast to drive. I surprise people at red lights all the time, it's fast for a truck. I raced a challenger RT the other day and hung dead even to the next light. Ecoboost turbos are a lot of fun, even if your missing the v8 sound. My Shelby is loud, it snarls and pops and gets lots of attention and no one ever wants to race me. It's so fast that unless it's a race-car pulling they don't even have a chance. I built the ecoboost car to be a sleeper, quiet until I hammer down. Plus I will beat stock v8 mustangs with ease, 500-550 RWHP for phase 1 and 800 RWHP after a bottom end rebuild for phase 2. Can you imagine how fun it will be to beat v8 corvettes, camaros, and mustangs with a 3.5 v6? It will be a hilarious to me!
Ford made a turbo 4 cyl to get you guys ready for the future of mustangs. When they come out with the 3.5 ecoboost for the stang the v8 will become the mid engine choice just like it has for the trucks. They have already done this with the raptor and the ford GT, the mustang is just a matter of time. The mustang 4cyl ecoboost are running deep in to the 10s now! I don't think they will ever get rid of the v8 though, to many fans.
I drove a s550 at a road course race-track. I made laps all day in my track pack Shelby and then jumped in to a friends s550 GT for a lap. Obviously it's wasn't as powerful but the handling was a vast improvement over my Shelby. The gt500 wiggles and sways through the corners, but the s550 was solid. I was pushing the limit of the tires on the s550'the entire time and I still felt like I was in control.
Just to be clear I love my Shelby and will never sell it. It's a sledge hammer of epic proportions and it's the last of its kind. I would be shocked if you ever see another engine this size offered in a mustang. I have plans to buy the next gt500 whenever that comes out, I'm sure I will love it too even if it's a twin turbo V6.
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2/12/16 | 11:01 AM
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2/12/16 | 12:07 PM
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Pretty sure "pony car" kinda means the same thing . . . not sure Ford ever called the Mustang that, think it was more of an industry "slang" thing . . . But anyway, I think we are trying to say the same thing.
And I guess the races I am thinking of back in the day were against other "pony cars" like the Camaro; but I think I remember the old Boss 302 competing against the Porsche 911 and the like . . . but I suffer from CRS (Can't Remember Sh*t) so who knows.
there IS a replacement for displacement: it's called BOOST
2/12/16 | 12:47 PM
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Actually my 2010 window sticker says "four passenger sports car" on it, and I think earlier years did also.
Pretty sure "pony car" kinda means the same thing . . . not sure Ford ever called the Mustang that, think it was more of an industry "slang" thing . . . But anyway, I think we are trying to say the same thing.
And I guess the races I am thinking of back in the day were against other "pony cars" like the Camaro; but I think I remember the old Boss 302 competing against the Porsche 911 and the like . . . but I suffer from CRS (Can't Remember Sh*t) so who knows.
there IS a replacement for displacement: it's called BOOST
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2/12/16 | 02:39 PM
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Actually my 2010 window sticker says "four passenger sports car" on it, and I think earlier years did also.
Pretty sure "pony car" kinda means the same thing . . . not sure Ford ever called the Mustang that, think it was more of an industry "slang" thing . . . But anyway, I think we are trying to say the same thing.
And I guess the races I am thinking of back in the day were against other "pony cars" like the Camaro; but I think I remember the old Boss 302 competing against the Porsche 911 and the like . . . but I suffer from CRS (Can't Remember Sh*t) so who knows.
Pretty sure "pony car" kinda means the same thing . . . not sure Ford ever called the Mustang that, think it was more of an industry "slang" thing . . . But anyway, I think we are trying to say the same thing.
And I guess the races I am thinking of back in the day were against other "pony cars" like the Camaro; but I think I remember the old Boss 302 competing against the Porsche 911 and the like . . . but I suffer from CRS (Can't Remember Sh*t) so who knows.
All I recall is when Ford first introduced the Mustang back in "64" they referred to the car as being a 4 passenger sporty car.. So once again who really knows what they're interpretation was intended for ? My guess would be the Mustang's size/physical appearance, as in it's long hood and short rear deck
I believe the races you were thinking of back in the day, were the Trans Am series that I mentioned earlier and do recall they were against other "Pony Cars" just as you mentioned.. As for the old Boss 302's competing against Porsche 911's and other related sports cars.. Like yourself, I also suffer from CRS as well
Anyway I totally agree that we're pretty much both saying the same thing.. So in the end, that's all that really matters anyhow
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2/13/16 | 09:12 PM
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I'll buy a Eco boost V6 mustang any day over a V8, I couldn't care less about the size of the engine or how many cylinders it has or doesn't have. The V6 can be made to sound really good from an exhaust tone stand point. Show me the performance. That old saying there is no replacement for displacement. Its just that! Old, outdated!
No way I'd buy a V6 or a EcoBust over the 5.0, and same is true for > 95% of people who can afford the V8. Even if Ford gave me $10k back, no effen way. If nothing else for the sound, and the exhilarating feeling of being pinned back in my seat! If you want to get the V6 to sound good you have to take a lesson from Nissan GTR. But that will cost you $$$
For under $35k out the door there IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. My car will smoke yours at the light, at the drag strip or or a road course (stock out the door, but if we talk mods even more so)
Sure, you can FI your V6 or tune your EB, but at that point you should have gotten an STi or an EVO. Your American Muscle experience starts with Muscle not Boost. Otherwise our SRT4 Neon crows can chip away at your ego too.
Done.
Hate to sound rude but truth hurts.
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2/13/16 | 09:59 PM
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Oh wait... modded. Hmm, didn't you see the 1200HP 5.0 thread? I mean if you hang out in this part of the woods you might as well see what moded 5.0s can do.
Truth does hurt!
# **** me
EDIT: I'm sorry. I was wrong. It's "only" 1145hp
https://themustangsource.com/forums/...20-psi-540187/
1) It's a more powerful platform right out of a box
2) more CCs means more power if you go FI
3) There is a TON more aftermarket support
... what have you got?
Seriously guys, it is the little engine syndrome? Likemy 2.3 or 3.7 is better than your 5.0? WTF? REALITY CHECK! I mean you can stoke your little displacement egos, but come on... take that **** to the EB forum or something...
Truth does hurt!
# **** me
EDIT: I'm sorry. I was wrong. It's "only" 1145hp
https://themustangsource.com/forums/...20-psi-540187/
1) It's a more powerful platform right out of a box
2) more CCs means more power if you go FI
3) There is a TON more aftermarket support
... what have you got?
Seriously guys, it is the little engine syndrome? Likemy 2.3 or 3.7 is better than your 5.0? WTF? REALITY CHECK! I mean you can stoke your little displacement egos, but come on... take that **** to the EB forum or something...
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2/13/16 | 10:20 PM
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(Sorry OP this hijack is out of control)
True, with an unlimited budget you can squeeze a few extra HP out of the V8. Here's a link to the 1000 hp ecoboost, detuned to 800 hp, endurance tested record setting Daytona race car. Here's what roush Yates and ford said about the 5.0 coyote....but what do those guys know
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Development of the 3.5-liter EcoBoost for the DP class began more than two years ago as the 5.0-liter engine was showing its age. Although Jorg Bergmeiseter won the 2006 driver’s title in a Ford-powered DP car, Ford never won the engine-manufacturer title.
At the time, Ford had started developing an EcoBoost engine for LMP2 racing to compete against the twin-turbo Honda. Grand Am officials heard about that project and suggested that the engine be submitted for certification. Ford knew it needed a new engine for sports car racing, and the EcoBoost was a better choice than modifying the 5.0-liter Coyote V8.
http://www.enginelabs.com/news/a-loo...rtscar-engine/
True, with an unlimited budget you can squeeze a few extra HP out of the V8. Here's a link to the 1000 hp ecoboost, detuned to 800 hp, endurance tested record setting Daytona race car. Here's what roush Yates and ford said about the 5.0 coyote....but what do those guys know
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Development of the 3.5-liter EcoBoost for the DP class began more than two years ago as the 5.0-liter engine was showing its age. Although Jorg Bergmeiseter won the 2006 driver’s title in a Ford-powered DP car, Ford never won the engine-manufacturer title.
At the time, Ford had started developing an EcoBoost engine for LMP2 racing to compete against the twin-turbo Honda. Grand Am officials heard about that project and suggested that the engine be submitted for certification. Ford knew it needed a new engine for sports car racing, and the EcoBoost was a better choice than modifying the 5.0-liter Coyote V8.
http://www.enginelabs.com/news/a-loo...rtscar-engine/
2/13/16 | 10:24 PM
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For $5k you can get a Coyote to 600hp. What can you do with EB for that money?
I've been road racing for 5 seasons now. 3 with my Coyote V8. I've see 1 V6 at the track O-N-E. His main complaint was how about how he gets blown out by all the V8s on the straights. You know, proven platform, no overheating issues @ 100F ambient temps, consistent power delivery...
But as an an automotive engineer what do I know.
There is a reason the EB cars compete with the V6...not the V8. That's why it's priced under the V8. If it was a serious contender it would be a different story. But it's not.
I've been road racing for 5 seasons now. 3 with my Coyote V8. I've see 1 V6 at the track O-N-E. His main complaint was how about how he gets blown out by all the V8s on the straights. You know, proven platform, no overheating issues @ 100F ambient temps, consistent power delivery...
But as an an automotive engineer what do I know.
There is a reason the EB cars compete with the V6...not the V8. That's why it's priced under the V8. If it was a serious contender it would be a different story. But it's not.
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2/13/16 | 10:37 PM
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We are comparing ecoboost v6 to coyote right? I want to be clear, I'm not talking about the V6 you saw at the track, that clearly wasn't an ecoboost.
As an engineer you must understand why they chose the ecoboost for the ford GT and the new raptor right?
Sorry to get you all riled up, no one wants to take away your v8. I own a 14 gt500 and I know all about v8 power, I'm building my v6 to beat it. If there's more diversity with mustangs that means there's more oppritunity to have something unique.
As an engineer you must understand why they chose the ecoboost for the ford GT and the new raptor right?
Sorry to get you all riled up, no one wants to take away your v8
. I own a 14 gt500 and I know all about v8 power, I'm building my v6 to beat it. If there's more diversity with mustangs that means there's more oppritunity to have something unique.
2/13/16 | 10:51 PM
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We are comparing ecoboost v6 to coyote right? I want to be clear, I'm not talking about the V6 you saw at the track, that clearly wasn't an ecoboost.
As an engineer you must understand why they chose the ecoboost for the ford GT and the new raptor right?
Sorry to get you all riled up, no one wants to take away your v8. I own a 14 gt500 and I know all about v8 power, I'm building my v6 to beat it. If there's more diversity with mustangs that means there's more oppritunity to have something unique.
As an engineer you must understand why they chose the ecoboost for the ford GT and the new raptor right?
Sorry to get you all riled up, no one wants to take away your v8
. I own a 14 gt500 and I know all about v8 power, I'm building my v6 to beat it. If there's more diversity with mustangs that means there's more oppritunity to have something unique.You're building a 3.5 twin turbo right? I see the potential in that. More displacement with different size turbos? I see the potential for yielding more power. But that's a special build. I'd love to put a 2.5 turbo from an STi into a V6 mustang, and that combination would outperform a 2.3 EB car.
2.3 Ecoboost is an EcoBust in my opinion. When in Boost you don't the the economy while not quite getting the power of a V8, and while in Eco mode you get the mileage but no power at all.
And the GT got the EB engine because Ford wants it to perform in a specific race series which does not allow large displacement V8s. As for the Raptor.... i'm not sure what happened there to be honest with you. That decision was dictated by CARB regulations most likely.
I'm not slamming turbo cars in general. My assumptions was we're comparing the V6 ot the 2.3l EB car to the V8, which doesn't make sense. But I so appreciate some V6 Turbo cars, the SHO or GTR being the shining stars of the bunch.
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2/14/16 | 02:55 AM
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I think you're wrong. With displacement comes torque. And power.
No way I'd buy a V6 or a EcoBust over the 5.0, and same is true for > 95% of people who can afford the V8. Even if Ford gave me $10k back, no effen way. If nothing else for the sound, and the exhilarating feeling of being pinned back in my seat! If you want to get the V6 to sound good you have to take a lesson from Nissan GTR. But that will cost you $$$
For under $35k out the door there IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. My car will smoke yours at the light, at the drag strip or or a road course (stock out the door, but if we talk mods even more so)
Sure, you can FI your V6 or tune your EB, but at that point you should have gotten an STi or an EVO. Your American Muscle experience starts with Muscle not Boost. Otherwise our SRT4 Neon crows can chip away at your ego too.
Done.
Hate to sound rude but truth hurts.
No way I'd buy a V6 or a EcoBust over the 5.0, and same is true for > 95% of people who can afford the V8. Even if Ford gave me $10k back, no effen way. If nothing else for the sound, and the exhilarating feeling of being pinned back in my seat! If you want to get the V6 to sound good you have to take a lesson from Nissan GTR. But that will cost you $$$
For under $35k out the door there IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. My car will smoke yours at the light, at the drag strip or or a road course (stock out the door, but if we talk mods even more so)
Sure, you can FI your V6 or tune your EB, but at that point you should have gotten an STi or an EVO. Your American Muscle experience starts with Muscle not Boost. Otherwise our SRT4 Neon crows can chip away at your ego too.
Done.
Hate to sound rude but truth hurts.
The American Muscle experience you speak about doesn't begin with 8 cylinders. For me, it begins with the design of the car, the look of it. Not how many cylinders the car has. Boost is the replacement for displacement. Its the future of engines. Majority of Fords customers who buy mustangs don't care about the cylinders. That's why Ford sells far more 4 cylinder mustangs than 5.0's.
It's a different era, different mentality. You might not be interested but plenty of people be drooling to get a 450 HP ecoboost 3.5 V6 mustang. I sure would be. Fast is fast. Don't care how many cylinders it has or doesn't have. Its 2016 not 1975! Times change and so does the automotive industry.
Since the new mustang looks like a euro sports car and has a 4 banger, I would consider an STI or Evo.
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2/14/16 | 12:15 PM
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Actually my 2010 window sticker says "four passenger sports car" on it, and I think earlier years did also.
Pretty sure "pony car" kinda means the same thing . . . not sure Ford ever called the Mustang that, think it was more of an industry "slang" thing . . . But anyway, I think we are trying to say the same thing.
And I guess the races I am thinking of back in the day were against other "pony cars" like the Camaro; but I think I remember the old Boss 302 competing against the Porsche 911 and the like . . . but I suffer from CRS (Can't Remember Sh*t) so who knows.
there IS a replacement for displacement: it's called BOOST
Pretty sure "pony car" kinda means the same thing . . . not sure Ford ever called the Mustang that, think it was more of an industry "slang" thing . . . But anyway, I think we are trying to say the same thing.
And I guess the races I am thinking of back in the day were against other "pony cars" like the Camaro; but I think I remember the old Boss 302 competing against the Porsche 911 and the like . . . but I suffer from CRS (Can't Remember Sh*t) so who knows.
there IS a replacement for displacement: it's called BOOST
Boost is only a bandaid really. Sure I can take a 3.5L Ecoboost and turn the boost up to 35-40lbs. and make somewhere along 600-700HP - if I am remembering the Taurus SHO that Livernois did correctly - and I did the same thing I could do with a V8 or you can take a 5.0 and throw 8lbs. of boost at it and make 625HP out of it.
What the heck is this? They didn't even run a Coyote on their dyno.
(Sorry OP this hijack is out of control)
True, with an unlimited budget you can squeeze a few extra HP out of the V8. Here's a link to the 1000 hp ecoboost, detuned to 800 hp, endurance tested record setting Daytona race car. Here's what roush Yates and ford said about the 5.0 coyote....but what do those guys know
-------------
Development of the 3.5-liter EcoBoost for the DP class began more than two years ago as the 5.0-liter engine was showing its age. Although Jorg Bergmeiseter won the 2006 driver’s title in a Ford-powered DP car, Ford never won the engine-manufacturer title.
At the time, Ford had started developing an EcoBoost engine for LMP2 racing to compete against the twin-turbo Honda. Grand Am officials heard about that project and suggested that the engine be submitted for certification. Ford knew it needed a new engine for sports car racing, and the EcoBoost was a better choice than modifying the 5.0-liter Coyote V8.
http://www.enginelabs.com/news/a-loo...rtscar-engine/
True, with an unlimited budget you can squeeze a few extra HP out of the V8. Here's a link to the 1000 hp ecoboost, detuned to 800 hp, endurance tested record setting Daytona race car. Here's what roush Yates and ford said about the 5.0 coyote....but what do those guys know
-------------
Development of the 3.5-liter EcoBoost for the DP class began more than two years ago as the 5.0-liter engine was showing its age. Although Jorg Bergmeiseter won the 2006 driver’s title in a Ford-powered DP car, Ford never won the engine-manufacturer title.
At the time, Ford had started developing an EcoBoost engine for LMP2 racing to compete against the twin-turbo Honda. Grand Am officials heard about that project and suggested that the engine be submitted for certification. Ford knew it needed a new engine for sports car racing, and the EcoBoost was a better choice than modifying the 5.0-liter Coyote V8.
http://www.enginelabs.com/news/a-loo...rtscar-engine/
The new S550 is not muscle. Its sports car. Euro sports car to boot. You don't need big money to make a the V6 mustang sound good. Of course your definition of big money may be different than my definition of big money.
The American Muscle experience you speak about doesn't begin with 8 cylinders. For me, it begins with the design of the car, the look of it. Not how many cylinders the car has. Boost is the replacement for displacement. Its the future of engines. Majority of Fords customers who buy mustangs don't care about the cylinders. That's why Ford sells far more 4 cylinder mustangs than 5.0's.
It's a different era, different mentality. You might not be interested but plenty of people be drooling to get a 450 HP ecoboost 3.5 V6 mustang. I sure would be. Fast is fast. Don't care how many cylinders it has or doesn't have. Its 2016 not 1975! Times change and so does the automotive industry.
Since the new mustang looks like a euro sports car and has a 4 banger, I would consider an STI or Evo.
The American Muscle experience you speak about doesn't begin with 8 cylinders. For me, it begins with the design of the car, the look of it. Not how many cylinders the car has. Boost is the replacement for displacement. Its the future of engines. Majority of Fords customers who buy mustangs don't care about the cylinders. That's why Ford sells far more 4 cylinder mustangs than 5.0's.
It's a different era, different mentality. You might not be interested but plenty of people be drooling to get a 450 HP ecoboost 3.5 V6 mustang. I sure would be. Fast is fast. Don't care how many cylinders it has or doesn't have. Its 2016 not 1975! Times change and so does the automotive industry.
Since the new mustang looks like a euro sports car and has a 4 banger, I would consider an STI or Evo.
The Mustang doesn't even belong in the Muscle Car category. Maybe the Boss 429's, but that is a stretch. For you the Mustang is about the style which is why the base models have always sold in such high volumes. The V8's have never outsold the base models I would think, maybe in the 60's models since there were so many V8 options to choose from. The V8 has always made the Mustang what the Mustang was, while the V6 sustained the Mustang.
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2/14/16 | 02:46 PM
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The Mustang doesn't even belong in the Muscle Car category. Maybe the Boss 429's, but that is a stretch. For you the Mustang is about the style which is why the base models have always sold in such high volumes. The V8's have never outsold the base models I would think, maybe in the 60's models since there were so many V8 options to choose from. The V8 has always made the Mustang what the Mustang was, while the V6 sustained the Mustang.
2/14/16 | 04:52 PM
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I disagree. The Mustang is a true Muscle Car. Any 1969-1973 Mach1, 1967-1968 Ford Mustang GT 390 cars, Boss 302, Boss 351, Any Mustang that came with the 429SCJ, And the Boss 429 was a Hem that Ford had underrated for insurance reasons. They claimed it was rated at 375 HP but if you read up on it the actual SAE HP was 515HP. At any rate. The Boss 351 had the best 1/4 mile tiles from the factory out of all 1969-1973 Mustangs. That said how can you call a Boss 429 a Muscle Car but not a Boss 351? The Boss 351 was perhaps the best balanced of the Boss's. Any way as I digress. Of course this is all opinion but I sure as heck believe the Mustang was perhaps the king of the muscle cars. I am a bit bias but still they are true muscle cars. With the exception of the 1974-1978 Mustang II. AKA Pinto. I would have to give that to you. :-)
As I also mentioned in a previous post.. When Ford first introduced the Mustang back in "64" they designed it as an affordable 4-passenger sporty car for the masses..
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