MPSC AS3s vs. GY F1 Asymmetric All-Seasons?
3/31/16, 05:31 AM
#1
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MPSC AS3s vs. GY F1 Asymmetric All-Seasons?
I run snows in the winter, so snow performance is not a priority. However, I cannot abide the terrible tread life and severe cupping I've gotten out of the P-Zeros, nor can I afford to replace summers every 2 years. My car is a daily driver that sees about 20k a year, 12k on "summers". I need 255/40/19F and 285/35/19R UHP All
Seasons, and I have narrowed it down to the Michelin Pilot Sport AS3s and the Goodyear F1 Asymmetric All-Seasons. I know members here have run both.
I chose these two mostly based on their handling characteristics. I have heard that the AS3s are the cat's meow in terms of handling stability, but I am not spending that kind of money if they'll burn up as fast as a summer tire. I have also heard good things about the GYs, but that they're not quite as good as the AS3s.
What kind of life are you guys getting out of your AS3s and GYs? I'm hoping for at least 35k miles out of the fronts, 30k out of the rears, but I also drive to hard. Also, for anyone who has experienced both, which one handles better?
Thanks!
EDIT: Please don't suggest DWSs. I've had them before. I refuse to pay for a tire with softer sidewalls than my Blizzaks. They were terrible and I hated them. They're a tire perfectly suited to my wife's 2.5i Legacy, which doesn't go over 70mph.
I see that the AS3 has been superceded by the AS3+. Hopefully they will not have changed too much.
Seasons, and I have narrowed it down to the Michelin Pilot Sport AS3s and the Goodyear F1 Asymmetric All-Seasons. I know members here have run both.
I chose these two mostly based on their handling characteristics. I have heard that the AS3s are the cat's meow in terms of handling stability, but I am not spending that kind of money if they'll burn up as fast as a summer tire. I have also heard good things about the GYs, but that they're not quite as good as the AS3s.
What kind of life are you guys getting out of your AS3s and GYs? I'm hoping for at least 35k miles out of the fronts, 30k out of the rears, but I also drive to hard. Also, for anyone who has experienced both, which one handles better?
Thanks!
EDIT: Please don't suggest DWSs. I've had them before. I refuse to pay for a tire with softer sidewalls than my Blizzaks. They were terrible and I hated them. They're a tire perfectly suited to my wife's 2.5i Legacy, which doesn't go over 70mph.
I see that the AS3 has been superceded by the AS3+. Hopefully they will not have changed too much.
Last edited by lsxjunkie; 3/31/16 at 05:46 AM.
3/31/16, 09:46 AM
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I'm searching for tires myself. My GY F1 summer tires are about done at 11,000 miles, and I don't spin them if I can keep from it. I've been doing a lot of research on Tire Rack, and others, and reading reviews. The AS3 caught my attention until I read a bunch of the reviews. It seems that the tread doesn't last near as long as the warranty states. About 20,000 give or take 5,000 is about as long as most of them are lasting.
The BFGoodrich G-FORCE COMP_2A/S all season is the tire I'm leaning towards right now. Most of the reviews were very favorable and the numbers were good in handling, tread life and noise, and they have a W (168mph) speed rating, and the price is reasonable too.
I thought about another summer tire, since I only drive my GT in fare weather, but replacing tires every 10 to 15K miles is just too hard on the wallet; especially if I can get similar performance,and price for 30,000+ miles.
The BFGoodrich G-FORCE COMP_2A/S all season is the tire I'm leaning towards right now. Most of the reviews were very favorable and the numbers were good in handling, tread life and noise, and they have a W (168mph) speed rating, and the price is reasonable too.
I thought about another summer tire, since I only drive my GT in fare weather, but replacing tires every 10 to 15K miles is just too hard on the wallet; especially if I can get similar performance,and price for 30,000+ miles.
3/31/16, 10:36 AM
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You admit to driving hard, but say you can't afford to replace tires every 2 years? You either need to adjust your driving style or adjust your budget.
As for your choices, you can't go wrong with either. The Michelins won't be exponentially better than the Goodyears.
As for your choices, you can't go wrong with either. The Michelins won't be exponentially better than the Goodyears.
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3/31/16, 01:31 PM
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You could check Cooper Zeon RS3-A. They are all season and have had good reviews. There was a member here who had them and gave them good reviews. If you are strictly looking at your 2 choices, I like Michelins and would go with those.
3/31/16, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rog13GTCS
You could check Cooper Zeon RS3-A. They are all season and have had good reviews. There was a member here who had them and gave them good reviews. If you are strictly looking at your 2 choices, I like Michelins and would go with those.
4/1/16, 12:41 PM
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I've been running the Coopers on my DD 2013 and I'm happy with them. After 30k of use they've got 5/32 tread depth, rotating every 7500mi.
4/1/16, 02:51 PM
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4/1/16, 02:57 PM
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4/2/16, 02:57 PM
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4/2/16, 05:26 PM
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4/3/16, 08:29 AM
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Why? I like driving my Mustang. It's my favorite part of the day, every day. I didn't buy it just to put it away for half the year.
Boss 302 springs are 148lbs front, 186 lbs rear, and I'm going to swap in even softer rear springs again in the rear. The Track Pack suspension sat too high and wallowed like ****, so I lowered the car some and added adjustable dampers to control the body motions. The sway bars are there for better turn-in and through corner stability. This is a street car that gets driven all highway during the week, and gets flogged up and down mountain backroads on the weekend. That having been said...
http://www.thesmokingtire.com/2013/r...l-season-tire/
I trust Matt Farah's opinion on things.
Boss 302 springs are 148lbs front, 186 lbs rear, and I'm going to swap in even softer rear springs again in the rear. The Track Pack suspension sat too high and wallowed like ****, so I lowered the car some and added adjustable dampers to control the body motions. The sway bars are there for better turn-in and through corner stability. This is a street car that gets driven all highway during the week, and gets flogged up and down mountain backroads on the weekend. That having been said...
http://www.thesmokingtire.com/2013/r...l-season-tire/
Next up was a dry autocross course and as we rounded the clubhouse I saw the cars: 6-speed Subaru WRX STis. This would be fun. The real twist here was the competition. In what I thought was a pretty ballsy move, Michelin pitted the A/S 3 against its competitor’s Max Performance Summer Y rated tires, not their all-season rubber. These included the Continental ExtremeContact DW, Pirelli P-Zero and Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position.
An autocross course can quickly expose a tire’s weaknesses. Each of the summer tires showed a distinct personality with different levels of communication, both in feel and sound. As expected, all the tires had good grip but the breakaway differed significantly between the brands. The DW, which is the tire I run on my own Audi, is fairly predictable, but the ultimate grip was a little bit behind that of the Potenza. The Michelin was the big eye-opener with overall grip and predictability as good or better than the others. And when the tire reached its limit, it was the easiest to get back. Surprisingly, with the A/S 3 I was able to carry the most speed through the course. Plus, the Michelin showed little sign of the abuse we were giving it with no visible chunking or wear. I was starting to become a believer. The margin was closer, but I gave this one to the PS A/S 3 as well.
An autocross course can quickly expose a tire’s weaknesses. Each of the summer tires showed a distinct personality with different levels of communication, both in feel and sound. As expected, all the tires had good grip but the breakaway differed significantly between the brands. The DW, which is the tire I run on my own Audi, is fairly predictable, but the ultimate grip was a little bit behind that of the Potenza. The Michelin was the big eye-opener with overall grip and predictability as good or better than the others. And when the tire reached its limit, it was the easiest to get back. Surprisingly, with the A/S 3 I was able to carry the most speed through the course. Plus, the Michelin showed little sign of the abuse we were giving it with no visible chunking or wear. I was starting to become a believer. The margin was closer, but I gave this one to the PS A/S 3 as well.
I trust Matt Farah's opinion on things.
4/3/16, 09:01 AM
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The A/S 3s are not your typical "all season" tire. Michelin seems to have an offering in every category, and then makes up their own in-between categories too.
4/15/16, 01:45 PM
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So I put on the A/S3+s on today. 255/40/19 front, 285/35/19 rear on takeoff Boss 302 wheels, 35psi at all corners. On hard lane changes, they're squirmy in the sidewall. I can push the car at the a-pillar and watch the wheel move around on the sidewall. Not thrilled, but this is only the first 30 miles.
4/15/16, 03:33 PM
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Temps went up, pressures went up, tires started to feel much better. I'm pretty satisfied with where they are now, but the real test will be tonight when I take the car out without my wife and really romp on it.
Why shouldn't an all season have a stiff sidewall?
Why shouldn't an all season have a stiff sidewall?
