also the interior improvement for 2010 is happening across all of Ford, not just the Mustang

 

Agree. I think the bulk, if not all, of the '10 upgrades would have happened w/o the Chally & Maro. Maybe there was a little incentive to make them better; maybe not. Hard to say, IMHO...

 

There IS an option for a spare however... but I think stock... its just a sealant kit

 

My main beef with the Camaro is that it's about 400-500 lbs too heavy. GM has us beat in performance. Interior/Exterior preference is based on ones own personal preference. Both cars look great from my vantage point.

 

Yes, but wasn't the Mustang done first ( I believe I read the design was signed off in late 2005 ) which would make every other Ford follow suit.

 

You're right, the Camaro has the 2005-09 (and possibly the 2010) Mustang beat in terms of performance. I believe the gap will be bridged in the not-so-distant future, however.

 

The gap will be bridged, when the 2011 GT. debuts in 2010 !

 

Tru'dat, its showdown at the OK corral, if the F5 flops (and it is truly a dangerous time for the Camaro beyond just the Mustang/Camaro rivalry), the Camaro will be on the scrap heap for good. To put it into perspective, a starving crack ***** living in Pripyat would have had an easier time droping a healthy baby compared to what it took to get the fifth generation Camaro into production.

While I have no desire to see the Mustang in anything less than the #1 spot, I really hope the F5 does well enough to grant its continued exsistance.

 

I wonder what Chevy has in store for Ford's 5.0L. VVT and Direct injection couple easily be added to the LS3. That would probably be worth 25-30 hp.

 

chevy is going gen V which means they will be using a "modern" overhead cam design and a smaller displacement engine. they can get high horsepower with DI and a higher compression, but Ford can do the same thing with the 5.0 and Ford has the experience building OHC engines. they are some of the best in the world. the koenegsig (sp) uses a derivative of the modular 4.6 and the noble uses a turbocharged duratec; the modular 3v has also been on ward's 10 best engine list for the past 4 years.

when GM loses the TQ from their displacement, i think ford's engine will clearly show its the better engine

 

Even at 25-30 more HP. The bridge would still be much closer than what it currently is now. And if Mustang doesn't gain any substantial weight. Then once again, the advantage goes to Mustang.

 

I thought GM killed the OHC engine earlier this year.

 

Yea, that's what I also thought as well. WTF

 

The GT with the 5.0L and 6 speed will most likely have 200-250 lbs on the Camaro. Bench racing...

11 GT: 3600/400= 9.0
11 SS: 3850/430=8.95

It should be a good race. Now if GM adds a bit more hp, the gap would widen a bit. I am assuming that we will see a bit of a weight increase in 2011.

 

Agreed, it should definitely be a good race indeed. Even with a bit of a weight increase, I'm assuming that both cars will more than likely be real close to running neck to neck. In which it would surely be a driver's race for sure.

 

And Ford could add DI to their 5.0L which, from what I've heard, could yield an additional 20-30 hp (and possibly make the engine more efficient).

Given, though, that the Mustang weighs several hundred pounds less than the Camaro and Challenger, Ford may not want to get into an all-out horsepower war with Chevrolet and Dodge.

 

Everyone needs to keep in mind that as usual, we're trying to do more with less. The Mustang will still be 50+ cubes shy engine size wise and while adding goodies will always tighten the gap, they too can add goodies. Goodies on a larger engine will always prove to be the winner. This would be much more interesting if Chevy was using their 5.3 instead of the Vette motor.

Also, just a note regarding why the Camaro production was stopped, I don't buy any of the BS answers issued by GM about this. That car was simply a great engine surrounded by an iffy car and it just stopped selling. There were '02 Camaros on dealer lots still in '04 from reports that I had read. Thats not exactly the display of an in demand product. They stopped making it because no one was buying them.

60,000 units of new Camaro first year..and down from there. My prediction.

 

Ford is lacking in displacement. GM's LS series engine makes great power and is very modable. Ford's only answer recently was a blower. Ford doesn't want a HP war with GM because frankly they would lose.

 

Says who...

Both camps have ample horsepower enough to put in ANY of their pony cars coming down the pipe that'll make your head spin...
...and the war could get stupid.....VERY QUICKLY

I said it before and say it again... its not a lack of power on either side, its the ***** who puts it in the car.

 

they will lose an n/a TQ war without the displacement, but you put a blower on the LS and mod dohc 5.0 and see how close they are