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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 03:22 PM
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Question Koni Yellow Rear Install questions...

Folks... I have a set of Koni Yellows on its way to me (thanks Jay/Dan/HYPERMOTIVE!!!) tomorrow.

I know the front struts have to be professionally installed, I get that. But for the rears, I wanted to do myself. I've never done a rear shock install before. From my talk with Dan and other folks, I hear it's just 2 bolts? 1 accessed from the trunk, 1 accessed from the bottom by the axle? Is it really that simple?

Jack car up on stands
Remove Wheels
Remove bolts
Remove shock
Install new shock
Done

That's it??? Any other tips or tricks? Also, I don't have an impact wrench or anything... just hand tools. For removal of the stock shock, I assume for the trunk bolt, one wrench on the collar, one on the bolt to loosen, and prevent the stock strut from "spinning".... and voila?

And what's the torque setting on bolts for install? Over 100 ft/lbs?

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 04:02 PM
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Best to have a shock stud tool or similar tool to prevent the shock stud from turning as you loosen the nut, although it can be done with vice grips.

And who says the front struts have to be professionally installed???

Millions have been installed by DIY'ers in their driveway or garage.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
Best to have a shock stud tool or similar tool to prevent the shock stud from turning as you loosen the nut, although it can be done with vice grips. And who says the front struts have to be professionally installed??? Millions have been installed by DIY'ers in their driveway or garage.
Just what I heard... Don't you have to mess with the springs for the front struts???

As for the shock stud, I thought the collar had a "nut" I could latch onto using a wrench? No? So it's a smooth cylindrical surface that I have to latch on to hence the vise grips??
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 04:10 PM
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You'd just have to use a spring compressor I guess. But nothing more than that really.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 05:25 PM
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This is me doing the front stuff with spring compressors rented from the local Autozone:

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The front strut lower bolts are on VERY tight, definitely need a strong impact gun to loosen/tighten them

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I put the fronts together in my condo before going out to the car to remove old set-up, install new.
New Steeda Sport springs, Koni Sport struts, GT500 strut mounts, Gabriel dust boots, FRPP jounce bumpers, Ford oem bottom-spring sleeves:

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The spring sleeves I mention above:

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As far as the rear shocks, yes you'll need something to keep the center stud from spinning. Putting the new nut on, you only need to tighten it as much as to push a bit of pressure on the washer that pushes onto the fat rubber bushing below it. You don't want to squeeze that bushing out too much. I think the shocks come with a picture that shows you. I was surprised how little torque it took to get them to look like the picture.
The bottom bolt though, I think that gets tightened to the usual 129 ft-lbs that just about everything under there gets tightened to.

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabe
This is me doing the front stuff with spring compressors rented from the local Autozone: The front strut lower bolts are on VERY tight, definitely need a strong impact gun to loosen/tighten them I put the fronts together in my condo before going out to the car to remove old set-up, install new. New Steeda Sport springs, Koni Sport struts, GT500 strut mounts, Gabriel dust boots, FRPP jounce bumpers, Ford oem bottom-spring sleeves: The spring sleeves I mention above: The dust boots: As far as the rear shocks, yes you'll need something to keep the center stud from spinning. Putting the new nut on, you only need to tighten it as much as to push a bit of pressure on the washer that pushes onto the fat rubber bushing below it. You don't want to squeeze that bushing out too much. I think the shocks come with a picture that shows you. I was surprised how little torque it took to get them to look like the picture. The bottom bolt though, I think that gets tightened to the usual 129 ft-lbs that just about everything under there gets tightened to.
Gabe what'd you use to prevent the center stud from spinning??and how'd you use it? That's what I'm concerned about.... I don't have an impact gun, but can I use just my regular hand tools to loosen old shock and tighten new shock?
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 05:48 PM
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I remember the bottom rear shock getting torqued to 85....

Here is what I used that I found on another forum...
REAR:
Rear shock absorber upper nut 30
Rear shock absorber lower bolt 85
Lower arm-to-body bolt 129
Brake caliper anchor plate bolts 76
Lower arm-to-axle bolt 129
Panhard rod-to-body mount bolt 129
Panhard rod-to-axle bolt 129
Lateral stiffener bar-to-body mount nut 85
Lateral stiffener bar-to-body bolts 46
Stabilizer bar bracket nuts 52
Stabilizer bar link bolts 85
Parking brake cable bracket-to-lower arm 20
Upper control arm front bolt 129
Upper control arm rear bolts 85
Upper control arm bushing nut 129
Fuel tank strap bolt 38
Brake hose bracket bolt 15
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 05:58 PM
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Actually LMR has a suspension swap video on their site where they use an alternative method to separate the spring/strut without a spring compressor. They put the car on jackstands, then jack up the knuckle, to compress the spring, remove the top bolt, then slowly lower the jack. For reassembly they used a lower spring low enough they didn't need a compressor to put it back together. I've tried it before, and it works...but you better have a jack with a lotta leeway when you back it off to lower it.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 06:01 PM
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Also...

I had a bit of a problem getting the upper shock stems of my Koni oranges fully thru the hole and into the trunk to reattach the upper nut. It was thru enough to start the nut, but not torque in properly.

I jacked the car up from the side with nothing else under it, then let the floor jack "off" quickly. The rapid drop of the weight of the car seated the stems perfectly to finish the job. I know a few others had similar problem, but yellows might be different.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 06:49 PM
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Or could pay the manager at your local Midas muffler $20 to make use if their branick spring compressor like I do. They are the safest quickest spring compressor. Just be certain to mark the clocking position of the strut plate prior to assembly.

http://branick.com/products-strut-tools.php
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FromZto5
Just what I heard... Don't you have to mess with the springs for the front struts???

As for the shock stud, I thought the collar had a "nut" I could latch onto using a wrench? No? So it's a smooth cylindrical surface that I have to latch on to hence the vise grips??
Shock upper stud has flats on two sides for the tool to grip, very small though, best to go buy the shock stud tool, they're cheap.



Originally Posted by FromZto5
Gabe what'd you use to prevent the center stud from spinning??and how'd you use it? That's what I'm concerned about.... I don't have an impact gun, but can I use just my regular hand tools to loosen old shock and tighten new shock?
Best bet with the front strut upper nut is an impact, and you can buy a really nice electric 1/2" impact at Harbor Freight for less than $50, an invaluable tool for a compressorless shop. Great for all kinds of jobs.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 07:00 PM
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Shock stud tool: http://www.lislecorp.com/divisions/products/?product=78

Cheap at rockauto: http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,ex...rttype,1001086

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 08:11 PM
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Thanks for all this info. You know what did? I just went to my local parts store (called first), and picked it up! In fact I already just used it to remove the top nut just now, getting it all ready for when my konis arrive tomorrow
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FromZto5
Thanks for all this info. You know what did? I just went to my local parts store (called first), and picked it up! In fact I already just used it to remove the top nut just now, getting it all ready for when my konis arrive tomorrow

Now go get that electric impact so you can do those front struts too!

http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-e...nch-68099.html

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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 01:52 AM
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I use the electric Dewalt impact for tons of stuff on the car. So handy.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 11:31 AM
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something came in the mail today while I was home for lunch. Thank you again Dan and jay for the quick and prompt customer service and delivery. You guys are the best.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabe
This is me doing the front stuff with spring compressors rented from the local Autozone: The front strut lower bolts are on VERY tight, definitely need a strong impact gun to loosen/tighten them I put the fronts together in my condo before going out to the car to remove old set-up, install new. New Steeda Sport springs, Koni Sport struts, GT500 strut mounts, Gabriel dust boots, FRPP jounce bumpers, Ford oem bottom-spring sleeves: The spring sleeves I mention above: The dust boots: As far as the rear shocks, yes you'll need something to keep the center stud from spinning. Putting the new nut on, you only need to tighten it as much as to push a bit of pressure on the washer that pushes onto the fat rubber bushing below it. You don't want to squeeze that bushing out too much. I think the shocks come with a picture that shows you. I was surprised how little torque it took to get them to look like the picture. The bottom bolt though, I think that gets tightened to the usual 129 ft-lbs that just about everything under there gets tightened to.
This is helpful info.....I just ordered that Gabriel set on amazon, and I'm going to get the spring sleeves as well. Did the struts come with new top nuts? My oranges didn't have any.....just the black cap they are strapped down on in the box.

Thanks for all the info/ tips guys.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FromZto5
something came in the mail today while I was home for lunch. Thank you again Dan and jay for the quick and prompt customer service and delivery. You guys are the best.
Congrats on your purchases, and looks like you've been on a shopping spree.

When I was adding my panhard bar, and lca's I found this link, if you want for reference. Look at posts 2, 3, and 9.
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Originally Posted by jp1seattle
This is helpful info.....I just ordered that Gabriel set on amazon, and I'm going to get the spring sleeves as well. Did the struts come with new top nuts? My oranges didn't have any.....just the black cap they are strapped down on in the box.

Thanks for all the info/ tips guys.
My yellows came with new nuts
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 09:12 PM
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Guys, pardon the dumb question.

I went through the box tonight and instructions, and even watched the install vids on YouTube. Looks pretty straight forward.

Couple things...

I assume the bottom axle bolt is reused on the new konis since a new pair of bolts was not provided?

The lock washers (2) that came with it, are not shown on diagram. I assume it goes on the bottom bolt by the axle?
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