Sorry for the harshness, lol. LS1 vs 4.6 was the reason for the harshness. Your right, Ford did knock it out of the park. Terminators did too, but the 5.0 is putting the same power out but without the blower.

 

1974-1978

 

 

Yea, in that aspect, it is a little behind. But for less than 1g in mods, that L92 truck motor with a cam and ditching VVT will have about 450+ to the wheels. Why ditch the VVT, aftermarket technology isnt quite there yet to safely tune them or extract max hp. Ford said they could not meet EPA standards staying ohv, thus they changed to ohc. I give props to GM for staying with the ohv. Sure makes modding cheaper. 1 cam instead of 4.....

 

:truth:

 

Regardless of what people say about the 4.6L engine, the pinnacle of 4.6L development, I believe, was the 4.6L 4V DOHC engine in the Mach 1 and the supercharged 4.6L one in the Cobra.

The Mach's engine pulled strongly because of the intake cams - great around town feel of torque. The Cobra's engine was that and more.

The 4.6L came A LONG WAY from the first 2V versions that came out in 1996.

All the experience of those engines built the foundation for the new 5.0L. So while celebrating that engine, respect the "elders" that led to its being

 

My friend and I bought new cars same week, he bought a camaro v6 2lt, I bought a 2012 5.0 prem with brembo pkg, I have driven his camaro, the only thing I have noticed is better tech, like paddles shifts, HUD, auto dimming side mirror,onstar app controlled lock unlock remote start and Ecu stats like vehicle health current mpg and tire pressure in psi, can be monitored from smartphone,handling is not as nimble as my mustang, paddles are just like they are there, I did not get a manual like feeling or performance when using paddles. People who sit in the rear seat will suffocate and hit their heads to the roof on bumpy roads, with almost same wheels and tire setup camaro ride quality is rough compared to my mustang visibility is the worst thing in camaro. in camaro car itself has a phone number which is used onstar connectivity, sync uses our smart phone to connect,

Overall ride quality, handling performance is good in mustang,camaro has better tech

 

There are some rather slanted comments in this thread(prompting me to join- and rant). Far as I can tell, Camaro is winning the sales race at this time because GM is advertising better/more. When's the last time you remember seeing a Mustang commercial? You can go onto an auto related video on youtube and have to turn off the ad near the bottom for full video viewing and almost always it seems, that ad is a Camaro ad. Haven't seen a Mustang ad yet, even when watching a Mustang video.

Auto sales are about advertising to make someone want the vehicle you're selling, not hp. Ford knows this(too) and used it for decades to outsell all other pony cars with Mustang, even when GM or Dodge had the power edge. Basically, since the 1960's, that tactic worked during any period when GM offered more power/torque.

Camaros are selling better than Mustangs in America and the only thing I can say is, GM has made more people want their product, even though it isn't actually made in America. Sales and prices will suffer once the main components begin to fail with age and people have to learn the hard way just how expensive maintenance can be. That may be a decade away, so Ford will need to make changes for a turnaround. I don't think FoMoCo is too concerned at this point, having a roughly 2:1 overal sales advantage AND having pretty darned solid sales currently, believe it or not.

The Camaro is NOT "crap" by any means. The Mustang is "better" in many ways, but let's face it, the Camaro and Challenger are sweet looking cars and both have a good level of performance capability even if Mustang exceeds them.

Btw, the 4.6L is an EXCELLENT engine. It isn't so great for drag racing in 2v form, but it's still outstanding. Look how long they last. Nuff said? Plus, look at the quickest drag racing Mustangs on earth using the 4.6L and you'll see this engine (in its nearly OLDEST form) has taken Mustang into the low 6's over the 1/4 mile. I can't call that a junk engine. Even the LS1 hasn't gone there(yet). Lest we forget, there are other LS engines after "the 1."

It's all good. Let's enjoy it while we can.

 

I totally understand why someone might prefer the Camaro. I don't prefer it, but I get it. I think it's pretty **** good looking and it's really a throw back to the, "OLD DAYS."

It's got a big torque motor and the zl is going to be a great car. I have to believe that the better cars our beloved Ford makes, the more we push Chevy to improve. Conversely the more Chevy improves the better Fords will be. I can't wait til ford comes out with a new halo car which stomps the zr1 vette.

I absolutely don't get why Ford is continually behind Chevy in the muscle car sales. It seems like it should be a back and forth kind of thing. But, I'll just enjoy my lil' 5.0 and hope that those who choose brand x enjoy it.

 

I respect your opinion but which GM stock motor can you run up to 700-800 rwhp and reliably run down the drag strip like you can in the Boss and the Gt500?

 

The 572. developed in 98 crank 620hp. Blown will get you 900hp. Thus achieving 700-800RWHP. Reliably.
http://www.smedingperformance.com/ch...orsepower.html



I prefer the Mustang but respect the Camaro. American is American... when there's so much rice to be eat.

 

Boss and GT500 are 7-800hp now? I was comparing the LSx series back in 1998-2002. The anemic 4.6 was/is not in the same league imo. Like was said before, the terminator and Mach 1 changed the game. I like both cars and I like hp no matter where it comes from.

 

Got it!! Makes since now.

 

Well, I was going to wait for a '13 but I decided that at the end of the day, I just wanted my old car back (Base 2011 V6) .. that being said, you can count me among those January numbers!


Sure it's an automatic, but I get to drive her all year long!

 

2013-2014 ;-)

 

What does the location of the cam have to do with emissions? OHC design is improved for power, efficiency and higher rpm.
Say what you will about the 4.6 - but 300+HP out of that little 281 block is proof that OHC beats OHV. And proves Colin Chapman's quote of "what happens above the cylinder is more important than what happens below".

That VVT has the same limitations as Ford's SOHC VCT. Actually more limitations because of GM's use of a single cam for both banks.
Only independent control of intake from exhaust cams will give you the max output across the rpm band.

 

The '96-'98 Cobra engines were known for their strong blocks that could support high horsepower, although the DOHC engine was more "exotic" in that time horizon. They were rated at 305hp at the peak. That really was the first game changer for Mustang.

 

2014?

 

My first experience with DOHC was a 74 Lotus 907 engine. Exotic imports of the day were pretty standard with DOHC.

Was that Cobra 4.6 generally the first US production V8 with DOHC?

 

That was one of Ford's decisions for going to ohc. At least that is what was touted back in 1992. 1996 was the 1st year for the 300hp engine. Doesnt matter who quotes what but the early years of the 4.6 ohc was crap. 1992 Crown vics blew up left and right. Ford chose a different path but since you can make any amount of HP depending on budget it is kind of a mute point. I have no brand loyalty. I am buying a 2013 Mustang for the looks and power. Camaro is ugly and Challenger is heavy and has a ugly dash(dont want to wait until they redesign the interior)

Lets take 2 vehicles(this should start a pissing match);
2002 Mustang auto
2002 Camaro auto
and you were allowed to do the following mods only, headers, exhaust, stall, cam, and 3.73 gears.
Which in your mind would be cheaper and what kind of a time slip can be had out of the 4.6l. I know what the Camaro can run with the mods but I honestly dont know on the Mustang. Sorry guys, but I have seen plenty of slow Gt's out here in Phoenix from 1994-2002. Seen plenty of wicked Terminator's though.