Rabbi Mike

Freedom, eh? So people who take subways should be "free" not to pay for roads! People who don't have kids should be free not to pay for schools! People who don't like books should be free not to pay for libraries! And people who know that the war in Iraq was based on lies should be free not to pay for the tanks!

We're a country. One big country. We all pay taxes, which gives us a right to discuss where and how we spend our money.

And I, who have access to health insurance, think it is totally unfair and outrageous that we should tell some other AMERICANS that they have no right to see a doctor if they don't have a spare pile of cash laying around. I am THRILLED to pay a little bit more to end this injustice.

(Oh . . . . "Barack Hussein Obama!" You said it twice! Right! Cuz Hussein is an A-Rab name! And A-Rabs are scary! Great point!)

trane

Can we stay away from 'tics, please? I come here to read about 'stangs.

corvettedreamin

Drop the politics and vote the b@stards out come election time.

coffeejolts

Amen, drop the politics.

BTW- I was quoted $1108 / year for a new GT. That's in Atlanta with the car listed as my primary commuter vehicle.
100/300/100 plus uninsured motorist and gap coverage.

RedWings

I'll get the same coverage I have on my current vehicle:

cdynaco

Hey - I was tryin' to get back to auto ins topic - even made an invitation over to the political threads - but still, the topic is about insurance games, right?

But you simply can't let falsehoods hang out there - like one group denying medical care to another group (because the latter is too irresponsible to be an adult and pay their own way). If they get repeated often enough the ignorant (uninformed) start believing its fact.

Besides, if you're here to read about 'stangs, you are on the "Insurance Coverage" thread why?

cdynaco

How much is the gap? Is the gap thru the ins co or the lender?

coffeejolts

The gap is $30 / year through the ins company.

Rabbi Mike

If you look back, I actually started this thread because I was looking for guidance from other people about insurance coverage levels.

(But if people want to talk about the gummint, I can get into that too.)

So I see folks have chosen anywhere from 50k/100k/50k to 250/500/250? How have you made your decisions? Have you changed over the years?

trane

I see a direct connection between owning a vehicle and having insurance. Where I live, insurance is mandatory.

I'm afraid that I don't see the direct connection between talking about cars and healthcare reform. Moreover, making blanket statements that people who can't afford health insurance are deadbeats is woefully ignorant. Are there freeloaders? Sure. That said, not everybody who is in a financial bind is there because they were/are irresponsible.

Oh, and the 2010+ diaper looks AWESOME.

jokerstars

Then do it out of your own pocket. If you think your grubby hands have a right to my money for unconstitutional goverment programs, you can go live in an economically stagnant European welfare state.

If health care is a right, so is food, clothing, and shelter. And if you think you have a right to a free any of those, then you clearly don't understand the constitution.

And your lame sarcastic comment about Arabs is amusing considering your username.


No, you want to raise taxes to spend more money for stuff we don't need. The party of amnesty, welfare, affirmative action, and "free" healthcare.

GJM20115.0

Guys guys- your All right.

I do the stock market (capitalist?) But, I'm glad the govt. mandated emission controls, (or we'd be chokin) -and I'm sure glad I don't have to pay a toll and drive on a lot of crappy roads most of the time.

cdynaco

You're not sure if investing in the market is capitalism?

Exactly - my gas tank is empty and my refrigerator is empty and my clothes are 10 yrs old (from good will)... where's my **** obamacare for those items?? I want it and I want it now! waaaaaah.

Government's role is to provide defense, necessary (not burdensome stifling) regulation to promote commerce, and as a generous nation some social services to help those in a temporary pickle until they can help themselves to the promise of America's prosperity and freedom. It is NOT Government's role to redistribute wealth from the hard working to the lazy. If a person wants that, move to France or Denmark - those people are free to do so. But socialism and redistribution are NOT the principles America was founded upon nor what made her great.


That's what is great about America - you can make that choice about that horrendous 10/11 abomination - and express it - unlike obama taking more out of your pocket by force for the lazy irresponsible.

I only make a lousy 29k/yr gross. I pay 15.8% of my net on health insurance - and it hurts! I can't go anywhere this weekend because there is no money left for gas, food, camping fees, after the ever increasing cost of living (the Fed lies about 'no' inflation and I can prove it if you don't know it), $130/mo property tax, $100/mo homeowners ins, etc. etc. But I will NOT drop my insurance - not just because it protects my health and my home - but because it protects my assets (same with my auto ins) that I have sweated for years to accumulate (even with paying for my own health ins all those years) - because I used my freedom and CHOSE my path. And I even scrape some to give to charity (Food Bank) along the way. Now some political thief/slug wants to take a chunk away from me with their socialism so the lazy can have health ins for 'free'. F that!!

LOOK AT GREECE for the future of socialism. Thatcher was right. The problem with socialism is that you finally run out of OTHER people's money.


Really guys - we should be in the political section for this. Those discussions can be lively, but they are informative. We're gonna get in trouble doin' it here.

Rabbi Mike

We don't need to take it from me. We can take from all the Medicare savings from right-wingers who will henceforth give up their "unconstitutional" Medicare payments! Hooray!

Shelter IS a right in the constitution. The New York state constitution. I can't help that the rest of the country is slow to get on board.

My sarcasm was an attempt to hide my disgust. When people prattle on about "Barack Hussein Obama," you know they are stirring up hatred about his Arabic-language name. I don't accept hate-speech against Jews. I also don't accept hate-speech against Arabs.

As for my username, my religious training teaches me that all people are created in the Divine image (Genesis 1:27). Meaning, to me, that we all deserve to be treated with respect -- whether Jew or Arab, European or Asian or American, blessed with money for healthcare or not.

h1w1nd

With complete coverage my Camaro was $135/month

The 2011 mustang GT I was quoted $200/month for the same coverage!

Wtf?

Ministang

Wow! That is expensive. Is the high rate because of your driving record, age, or location, or a mix of all of those factors? I pay less than $150/month for all five of our cars combined, with full coverage on all but the Miata. I haven't paid $200 or more a month since I was 20 and had a V8 Mustang, Suzuki Samurai, and multiple tickets on my record.

Ltngdrvr

My high rate quotes are all about my credit score/history.

Checked with Ford credit's insuramce company just now and they are almost $200 higher per 6 months than my current carrier.

So, I guess I just eat the $562/6 months again with the current insurance company.

I'm afraid to ask how much it will be if I get a 2010/2011 to replace the 2004...

fritzOSU03

It may not be too bad considering the safety innovations that have taken place in the Mustangs since 2004. When I went from a '06 Focus to a '08 Mustang my insurance didn't go up because of this.

cdynaco

Yes that is the teaching - that YOU take care of YOUR grey haired family and YOUR children and YOUR extended family (tribe). That YOU love your (Israelite) brother when he is hungry, needs food and shelter. For the purpose of showing love while YOU help him stand on his own again like your Heavenly Father did for you when He brought you out of Egypt into the Promised Land. Or if your brother was so upside down because of debt he could sell himself into slavery until the 7 yr Jubilee and he was free again and his ancestral inheritance was returned (the basis of bankruptcy laws).

Nothing said that you delegate your responsibility before Yahweh God to a secular government that forcefully confiscates from your brother (or non-brother) and then redistributes according to a governments non-Godly determination. You are forgetting how the Romans treated Jewish citizens of Jerusalem.

Come on!


And for Christians, Jesus Christ showed that in action. But he never overturned his Father's laws and principles that you love your brother by helping AND teaching responsibility. Love is the culmination of the Mosaic Law. Love is the New Commandment for Christians. And while it is loving to feed your brother a fish when he is hungry, it is even more loving to teach your brother how to fish for himself.

Rabbi Mike

Sorry dude:
"Our Rabbis taught: We sustain the non-Jewish poor with the Jewish poor, visit the non-Jewish sick with the Jewish sick, and bury the non-Jewish dead with the Jewish dead -- all for the sake of peace." (Talmud, Gittin 61a)


Here's the thing I don't get, and I;m asking seriously -- if you make 29k and pay a boatload for health insurance, this law will totally help you when it goes into effect. You'll get a big subsidy to help you pay your bills. Are you just against it because you don't like Obama personally?