And to think in 2004 there were 10 2003 cobras 2 of which 10th anniversary all with 3k in rebates at my local dealer.

 

dealers in my area are asking about 5k above MSRP, so the people who did pay 25-30k above sticker will be screwed when they try to sell their cars. I seriously doubt that these cars will hold their value as well as people think. Ford is making a lot of them, more than any previous SVT Cobra and Cobras of all years are pretty attainible. In a couple years If i can't get a GT500 for a good price i'll just step up to a C6 vette. The whole ridiculous ADM thing with the GT500 kinda tainted my Ford loyalty. Don't get me wrong i understand that all dealers ask for ADMs but 25k above sticker is just plain stupid.

 

What will dealers do when the 2010/2011 GT500 comes out?

Still ask 5000 over on a 3 or 4 year old car?
hahahah

At what point do the loan fees for it sitting on the lott add up to a point where its not even worth keeping it?

 

I think another point is that rumors are that the GT500 will continue production well into the next body style. Dealers have been using the gimmick that the GT500 is going to be a limited volume car for only 2-3 years and that is starting to look like a bunch of bull. All the GT500 is, is the current gen SVT Cobra nothing more nothing less. The production numbers prove that the car is not as limited as people thought, I feel that the hype will die once the Camaro, Challenger and new Mustang come out and these cars will drop their absurd value.

 

Direct injection was used in gas NA Isuzu products starting in 1999 models(before GM completely finished them off by thinking people would buy rebadges), never had any issues either. Nobody even blinked that Isuzu was using it 8 years before this great 'new' invention gets all the headlines now.

 

Most of the people buying them don't care about the markup, they just want the car. They don't exactly worry about what they are going to get when they 'trade' it in. Someone paying an additional 100K for a Ferrari to get the order earler or an extra $1mil to squeak on the list for a Veryon don't care about it either. Its all relative.

 

I agree, but the point that i'm trying to make is that these cars won't hold their value as rare collector cars because they are no rarer than previous gen SVT Cobras. I don't see it being difficult to find a used GT500 for a decent price once the new Mustang, Camaro and Challenger hit the streets. If i'm wrong than i'll just get a vette for my next ride

 

I used to think the same thing about Cobras all the way back to at least 1995. "Man, those cars are untouchable price-wise." I would think.. Now I'm seeing what I thought was almost impossible; A used Cobra at sweet prices. The GT500 will be next. Hey 500 hp is 500 hp and that is one h*** of a starting block.

 

A local dealer called me ( was once on a waiting list for a GT500) and told me he had a fully loaded GT500 coupe for 52k, not sure how much above MSRP that is but i'm no longer in the market..... I think the 03' Cobra was a wise investment considering I bought it in late 06' with 5000mi for $25,000 (after getting screwed over by the dealer that had me on his waiting list). I would like to have a GT500 some day but like I posted in another thread even at MSRP these cars are a tad over priced in my opinion... i'd rather have a Vette for 50k+.......

 

Totally agree on the GT500's being available at decent discounts when the '10's come out. There are those out there that have used their GT500's as daily drivers, I know of 2 here in Tampa where I work. Those two guys are exactly the type of dudes that'll jump on a new bodystyle, even with a big markup. One of them paid $69K for his, the other guy $62K. I've talked to both and they fully understand they'll probably never get near that in return, even after only 2-3 years of use.

 

The value of a GT500 will diminish when the new Shelby GT500 gets the GDI V8. But, I think as we get closer to 2020 and beyond, the current GT500's will regain what they lost. GDI V6's and 4 bangers are the future, so V8's will be desirable.

 

MUSTANG 3.5-liter V-6 260 horsepower

SHELBY GT350 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged V-6 350 horsepower

MUSTANG GT 5.0-liter V8 350 horsepower

SHELBY GT500 5.0-liter supercharged V-8 500 horsepower

 

I reckon you could be close here, although I'd suspect the GT500 may use turbos, not a supercharger.

I also wonder if the current 4.6 V8 will appear first......then when the 5 litre comes on stream it'll be sold as a 302 Boss.

 

I'll take that linep, no problem!

 

With CAFE standards and the price of gas I think this is more likely:

MUSTANG 3.5-liter V-6 260 horsepower

MUSTANG GT 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged V-6 350 horsepower

SHELBY GT350 4.6-liter 350 horsepower

SHELBY GT500 5.4-liter supercharged V-8 500 horsepower

 

I hope not. I wouldn't want to pay Shelby premiums to get a V8.

 

Don't think there will be a GT350 offered and I doubt the GT500 will stray from the current 5.4L SC powerplant so here's my opinion

Mustang - 3.5L V6, 260 HP
Mustang GT - 5.0L V8, 350 hp
Boss 302 - 5.0L V8, 400 hp
GT500 - 5.4L SC V8, 525 hp

 

I'm with you. In fact, this is similar to the lineup I recently mentioned seems likely in another thread. The only thing I find unlikely here is the 5.0L V8's 350hp rating. Ford has been surprisingly consistent in slightly under-rating the hp of future engine combos prior to launch, and this phenomenon has held true even when those engine numbers are/were just rumors not officially stated by the company. The current chatter is that the 5.0L V8 will be 400hp plus, and of late the hp number has been cited as just a bit more than that. I look for at least 400hp, and possibly more like 425hp, hopefully in a 2011MY car.

If the changes in the upcoming 5.0L V8 indeed prove to be similar to what rumors indicate fuel mileage should be noticeably superior to what we see in the current 300hp 4.6L V8 even if all else remained equal. The likely addition of 6-speed gearboxes means that the difference will be even greater yet, if not quite as good as the GTDi 3.5L V6 is likely to muster. The changes made to transform the 4.6L into the 5.0L are sweeping to put it mildly, and many of them will be fundamental in improving the mpg potential of that motor. It isn't a stretch to say that no 350hp engine based on existing 4.6L architecture outside of a GTDi design is likely to be able to match the fuel economy of the upcoming 400hp 5.0L unit given the inherent disadvantages of the older 4.6L design when compared to what we currently know is coming with the 5.0L engine.

 

What are the inherent disadvantages? Not doubting anything, I'm just curious as to where they can make some real improvments in efficiency? DI certainly makes a big increase in compression possible which does wonders not only in power but effciency as well. I'm just hard pressed to see where alot of improvements could be made past the combustion process (not to say incremental improvements can't happen, juggling R/S ratios, piston pin offset, bearing sizes, ect can certainly change things a bit) to really make the 5.0 stand out compared to the 4.6

 

I think a 6 speed manual/auto would be the easiest way to improve fuel economy. Ford already has 6 speeds why not put them in their performance car! Not sure if this is in the works but Ford should also imcorporate a cylinder deactivation at highway speeds. It seems that all the other automakers are starting to do this Ford needs to do the same. I think engine tweaks and only take you so far. I've noticed high power cars will burn more fuel no matter what size. A Turbo 4 Subaru STI gets the same mileage as a Mustang GT! Also if Ford really wants to improve CAFE numbers maybe they should think about putting in the newer V6 into the Mustang or perhaps even consider a 4 cylinder like back in the 80s?