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Fully loaded, Full weight Automatic 2011s runs mid 11s @ 120mph N/A

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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 04:37 AM
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Fully loaded, Full weight Automatic 2011s runs mid 11s @ 120mph N/A

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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 10:07 AM
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I'd sure like to know what converter is in it.

I have been saying that all the automatic cars needed was a high stall converter.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 10:31 AM
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nice!
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
I'd sure like to know what converter is in it.

I have been saying that all the automatic cars needed was a high stall converter.
Needs DCT
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Adam2004
Needs DCT
Be a nice option for people with lots of $$$.

Probably would end up costing an extra $3000 if they had one.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
Be a nice option for people with lots of $$$.

Probably would end up costing an extra $3000 if they had one.

It's only about $300-400 more for dual clutch than what most charge for an automatic.
You can get the DCT in a BMW 135i for about $1500, there auto charge is/was $1200.
Even in the VW GTI, which is the first modern day affordable car to offer a dual clutch and brought on the current craze for DCT's charges like $1200-1300 for their dual clutch. Most companies charge $900-1100 for old school autos.

The auto in the Mustang is a rip off for $1000. You get no "manual" mode, no paddle shifters, no floor shifter, no rev matching downshifts, no sport mode, no holding gears at redline, nada. Boring!!

The next gen Mustang GT better have a DCT option if they want to stay relevant.
It's been available for nearly 5 years in a $22k VW it should be an option in a $30k+ performance car too. You can currently get more involving automatics in $15k econo cars than what they offer in the 2011 Mustang GT.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:53 PM
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It's only about $300-400 more for dual clutch than what most charge for an automatic.
You can get the DCT in a BMW 135i for about $1500, there auto charge is/was $1200.
Even in the VW GTI, which is the first modern day affordable car to offer a dual clutch and brought on the current craze for DCT's charges like $1200-1300 for their dual clutch. Most companies charge $900-1100 for old school autos.

The auto in the Mustang is a rip off for $1000. You get no "manual" mode, no paddle shifters, no floor shifter, no rev matching downshifts, no sport mode, no holding gears at redline, nada. Boring!!

The next gen Mustang GT better have a DCT option if they want to stay relevant.
It's been available for nearly 5 years in a $22k VW it should be an option in a $30k+ performance car too. You can currently get more involving automatics in $15k econo cars than what they offer in the 2011 Mustang GT.

None of those cars you speak of with those transmissions put out anywhere near as much horsepower or torque as a Mustang GT so that is one reason why the DCT cost less in them. If you look around at cars that make 400+ HP and near to 400 TQ, the DCT trannies are in the $3500 + range because the components have to be so much stronger.

I look for the Mustang to have a manual mode for the automatic, probably next year. I don't think Ford had considered or anticipated how much people would really want this.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Driver72
It's only about $300-400 more for dual clutch than what most charge for an automatic.
You can get the DCT in a BMW 135i for about $1500, there auto charge is/was $1200.
Even in the VW GTI, which is the first modern day affordable car to offer a dual clutch and brought on the current craze for DCT's charges like $1200-1300 for their dual clutch. Most companies charge $900-1100 for old school autos.

The auto in the Mustang is a rip off for $1000. You get no "manual" mode, no paddle shifters, no floor shifter, no rev matching downshifts, no sport mode, no holding gears at redline, nada. Boring!!
The next gen Mustang GT better have a DCT option if they want to stay relevant.
It's been available for nearly 5 years in a $22k VW it should be an option in a $30k+ performance car too. You can currently get more involving automatics in $15k econo cars than what they offer in the 2011 Mustang GT.
Those that want all those things buy manual.

An automatic changes gears automatically, and thats all it needs to do. You can shift it manually by the gear selector for the lower gears, and if it held the gear at redline, you have a greator chance at blowing the engine, which is always a great idea...
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
None of those cars you speak of with those transmissions put out anywhere near as much horsepower or torque as a Mustang GT so that is one reason why the DCT cost less in them. If you look around at cars that make 400+ HP and near to 400 TQ, the DCT trannies are in the $3500 + range because the components have to be so much stronger.

I look for the Mustang to have a manual mode for the automatic, probably next year. I don't think Ford had considered or anticipated how much people would really want this.
The DCT in the BMW 335i and 335is is the same as the one used in the M3.
They only charge more for the DCT in the M3, because like ALL auto manufacturers the more expensive the car the more they charge you for the exact same options, because they know if you can afford the more expensive car, you can afford to pay more for the same options.

They do the same thing with basic automatics.
Look how much Porsche charged for the auto in the 911 Turbo compared to it's lesser models. IIRC the auto was a ridiculous $2-3k option in the 911 Turbo but it was the same 5 speed auto they put in many of their other cars but charged less for it in the less expensive car.

Ford has got to get with the times and consider putting a dual clutch in their cars.
Personally the reason I think they haven't put one in the 2011 GT is because of drag racing. It's not the ideal tranny for heavy drag racing use as the clutches heat up and slip bad
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