Did They Just Kill the Mustang?
Sorry, I Forgot about the 99's. I kinda know where some of you guys are coming from with the 2010's refresh, because when I saw the 99's for the first time I thought WTF? I thought ford Completely Screwed Up with that Refresh. I remember telling my Mom and Dad that Ford Ruined the Mustang! I hated Everything about it. I didn't start liking the New Edge Mustangs until Ford started putting all the Fake Scoops on the GT's, and I'm not big on Non Functional Scoops.
The other day I saw a 99-04 V6 and I just thought to myself Ughhh, what were they thinking? But then I'll see a GT or Mach 1 and Think That's Not Too Bad, Until I see an 05-09. But I think they got the 2010 just right, but that's just me.
The other day I saw a 99-04 V6 and I just thought to myself Ughhh, what were they thinking? But then I'll see a GT or Mach 1 and Think That's Not Too Bad, Until I see an 05-09. But I think they got the 2010 just right, but that's just me.
Sorry, I Forgot about the 99's. I kinda know where some of you guys are coming from with the 2010's refresh, because when I saw the 99's for the first time I thought WTF? I thought ford Completely Screwed Up with that Refresh. I remember telling my Mom and Dad that Ford Ruined the Mustang! I hated Everything about it. I didn't start liking the New Edge Mustangs until Ford started putting all the Fake Scoops on the GT's, and I'm not big on Non Functional Scoops.
The other day I saw a 99-04 V6 and I just thought to myself Ughhh, what were they thinking? But then I'll see a GT or Mach 1 and Think That's Not Too Bad, Until I see an 05-09. But I think they got the 2010 just right, but that's just me.
The other day I saw a 99-04 V6 and I just thought to myself Ughhh, what were they thinking? But then I'll see a GT or Mach 1 and Think That's Not Too Bad, Until I see an 05-09. But I think they got the 2010 just right, but that's just me.
370Z info: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...test_data.html
350Z info: http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/niss...822/specs.html
Every major automaker reported a year-over-year sales decline
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Every major automaker reported a year-over-year sales decline of more than 30 percent on Tuesday. The Detroit carmakers were among the worst hit, with GM's U.S. sales falling 41 percent and Chrysler LLC's dropping 47 percent.
Their overseas rivals posted abysmal results as well. Toyota's sales tumbled 34 percent, while Nissan's dropped 42 percent and Honda's fell 32 percent.
Despite its 31 percent sales drop in November sales, Ford's market share grew 1 percentage point, helped by a recovery in its pickup truck segment and demand for the Ford Fusion sedan. Sales of Ford's top-selling F-Series pickups dropped 19 percent, significantly less than most of the automaker's models.
Toyota Motor Corp., Japan's No. 1 automaker, said truck sales plummeted 36 percent, while demand for passenger cars fell 32 percent, despite the automaker's extension of zero-percent financing on a dozen vehicles.
Automakers and analysts blamed the crumbling economy, less access to vehicle financing, and a wait-and-see approach among consumers more preoccupied with the value of their homes and the fate of their jobs than the lure of a new car.
"Consumers (are) not showing up at the dealerships — regardless of the deals they're being offered and regardless of how low the gas prices go," said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for the automotive Web site Edmunds.com.
Industry wide year-over-year sales drop
Chrysler dropped 47 percent
Nissan dropped 42 percent
GM dropped 41 percent
Toyota dropped 34 percent
Honda dropped 32 percent
Ford dropped 31 percent
Economically things are bad everywhere, but Ford Motor Company is doing better than the rest…
Every major automaker reported a year-over-year sales decline of more than 30 percent on Tuesday. The Detroit carmakers were among the worst hit, with GM's U.S. sales falling 41 percent and Chrysler LLC's dropping 47 percent.
Their overseas rivals posted abysmal results as well. Toyota's sales tumbled 34 percent, while Nissan's dropped 42 percent and Honda's fell 32 percent.
Despite its 31 percent sales drop in November sales, Ford's market share grew 1 percentage point, helped by a recovery in its pickup truck segment and demand for the Ford Fusion sedan. Sales of Ford's top-selling F-Series pickups dropped 19 percent, significantly less than most of the automaker's models.
Toyota Motor Corp., Japan's No. 1 automaker, said truck sales plummeted 36 percent, while demand for passenger cars fell 32 percent, despite the automaker's extension of zero-percent financing on a dozen vehicles.
Automakers and analysts blamed the crumbling economy, less access to vehicle financing, and a wait-and-see approach among consumers more preoccupied with the value of their homes and the fate of their jobs than the lure of a new car.
"Consumers (are) not showing up at the dealerships — regardless of the deals they're being offered and regardless of how low the gas prices go," said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for the automotive Web site Edmunds.com.
Industry wide year-over-year sales drop
Chrysler dropped 47 percent
Nissan dropped 42 percent
GM dropped 41 percent
Toyota dropped 34 percent
Honda dropped 32 percent
Ford dropped 31 percent
Economically things are bad everywhere, but Ford Motor Company is doing better than the rest…
Last edited by Black GT500; Dec 4, 2008 at 01:16 PM.
Industry wide year-over-year sales drop
Chrysler dropped 47 percent
Nissan dropped 42 percent
GM dropped 41 percent
Toyota dropped 34 percent
Honda dropped 32 percent
Ford dropped 31 percent
Economically things are bad everywhere, but Ford Motor Company is doing better then the rest…
Chrysler dropped 47 percent
Nissan dropped 42 percent
GM dropped 41 percent
Toyota dropped 34 percent
Honda dropped 32 percent
Ford dropped 31 percent
Economically things are bad everywhere, but Ford Motor Company is doing better then the rest…
Wow, while the sales figures themselves are no doubt awful I'm very encouraged by Ford's market share going up. It's been a long while since that happened last, given the bad press and terrible market conditions it suggests an overall positive result. In Bull markets the praises are sung of carmaker who's numbers go up the most, in a Bear market the carmaker whose numbers go down the least should be recognized as well.
Ford is still in serious trouble. Take a look at the stock price trend over the last few years and you'll see what I mean. If I knew for sure that Ford would recover and excel over the next few years, I'd buy up a bunch of stock and make a killing. In fact, many investors would do the same, but the fact that they are not is because there's a equilibrium between the people who believe it and those who don't. The buy/sell relations have driven the price down low and has been holding there for a while now.
Ford is still in serious trouble. Take a look at the stock price trend over the last few years and you'll see what I mean. If I knew for sure that Ford would recover and excel over the next few years, I'd buy up a bunch of stock and make a killing. In fact, many investors would do the same, but the fact that they are not is because there's a equilibrium between the people who believe it and those who don't. The buy/sell relations have driven the price down low and has been holding there for a while now.
26 hp is a huge boost in power(306 hp vs 332 hp)? So everyone would have been happy with a 326 hp engine in the GT for the rest of the product cycle? It doesn't take that much of work or money to get from 315 to 326 hp. Actually, according to Motor Trend, the 370Z is heavier than the 350Z (3355 lb vs 3320 lb).
370Z info: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...test_data.html
350Z info: http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/niss...822/specs.html
370Z info: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...test_data.html
350Z info: http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/niss...822/specs.html
My bad, I thought the 350Z made less power than 306, and I also thought I read somewhere that the car was smaller and lighter.
On the flip side though... this car should meet or beat many of the Mustang's performance areas. If you compare the new 370Z to the 08-09 Bullitt (the supposed model of the 10' GT) you basically get identical acceleration numbers while the Z is a better handling and braking car. Too bad the Nissan is ugly as sin because its actually a pretty cool car mechanically. At the end of the day both new cars are better performers but I find both the 05-09 Mustang and the 03-08 350Z more attractive than the replacements.
For every person out there with your mindset, there are an equal or greater number with the opposite mindset. That's the reason why Ford stock has dropped to such a low level. Too many people are either selling their stock or are too afraid to buy any Ford stock.
The Big Three are not the only ones asking for government help...VW, BMW and Mercedes have gone to the German government and asked for bailout money. Why is this not being reported by the media? It is important people know it is not just the U.S. makers who are in trouble. This is a global problem.
Last edited by SD CALSPCL; Dec 4, 2008 at 04:31 PM. Reason: Correction
The Big Three are not the only ones asking for government help...VW, BMW and Mercedes have gone to the German government and asked for bailout money. Why is this not being reported by the media? It is important people know it is not just the U.S. makers who are in trouble. This is a global problem.
It's called a global recession - of a kind we haven't seen before. It will be late 2010 before the world economy begins growing again.
The 370Z has actually shrunk in dimensions. It lost weight in the platform but gained it back when they added the additional bracing to meet current crash safety regulations. The net of it is that it is not that far off the weight of the 350Z.
On the flip side though... this car should meet or beat many of the Mustang's performance areas. If you compare the new 370Z to the 08-09 Bullitt (the supposed model of the 10' GT) you basically get identical acceleration numbers while the Z is a better handling and braking car.
I believe the GT coupe was quoted as 35lbs heavier, mainly because of the added weight of 19" wheel option.
If you truly believed what you're saying, then you would be a fool if you didn't buy any/all Ford stock that you could afford. In fact, you'd be crazy to even think about buying a new Mustang when you could simply invest some money in Ford stock and be able to buy a new Mustang for cash with your windfall when the stock rises.
I'm not saying that it won't happen, but rather pointing out that a HUGE investment opportunity is presenting itself for those who truly believe that Ford stock (and the others) will rise back again. Hell, if you dump as little as $5,000 into Ford stock and it goes up to just $15/share, you'll end up turning your $5,000 into $30,000. If it goes up into the $30/share range, you'll turn your $5,000 into $60,000+
If a lot of people had that type of faith in Ford stock, it would start rising again as more and more people pump their cash into it. Who knows, maybe the gov. bailout will be the spark that Ford needs to get their stock values rising again.



