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BLOWN ENGINE NOT COVERED BY FORD

Old Oct 21, 2010 | 05:33 PM
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BLOWN ENGINE NOT COVERED BY FORD

I saw this on another site. Guy had a mustang, cylinder #8 dumped and Ford basically said, Clearly you were using NOS, because this wouldn't have happened if you weren't..... so we aren't going to cover it!

I was thinking we could all get involved to the extent that we could all write Ford a note letting them know that we were watching this event unfold. It could happen to any of us and the 5.0 is a new motor. I can't help to think what if it was me?

I've very interested in how this plays out, we all should be.

http://forums.corral.net/forums/show...1#post10139834

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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 05:41 PM
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Seems to me like maybe some info is missing...
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 05:44 PM
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I'm not gonna go jumping down Ford's back just because of hearing this story.

A) We have no facts other than his testimony
B) Kinda fishy that he's got only like 15 posts
C) This is the internet. Believe nothing

So while this sounds like a heart wrenching story, I don't think I'm biting....
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 05:46 PM
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wow that sucks big time.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 05:48 PM
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wow that sucks big time.
If what he's telling is true... yes indeed.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 05:49 PM
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Well if I blew my engine doing something to it I wasn't suppose to be doing I probably would deny my wrong doing. The guy is probably just hoping that Ford believed him.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by stangfoeva
I'm not gonna go jumping down Ford's back just because of hearing this story.

A) We have no facts other than his testimony
B) Kinda fishy that he's got only like 15 posts
C) This is the internet. Believe nothing

So while this sounds like a heart wrenching story, I don't think I'm biting....

+11111 i support NOT getting in this crap. There is no proof of any of this. Internet FTL...
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 05:52 PM
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 05:59 PM
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Blown up 2011 5.0 engine, not coverd by Ford
They said that the piston has two broken ring lands caused by high cyl pressure
and stated the high cyl pressure chould be caused by engine over speed with a modded strategy and or the use of nitrous.....
Originally Posted by NOXER
...It also forced me in to 2nd gear while trying to shift from 3rd to 4th gear (not exciting).....
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I hate to hear of your mishap with the engine. Stay on top of them and follow fmyth's advice.

However, how did it FORCE you into 2nd? Were you driving it hard and doing some WOT shifts? I could see where a missed shift from 4th to 2nd could cause an engine overspeed. Simple physics there that a rev limiter would not be able to overcome.
^THIS is what is missing. Overrevving the engine to 8G is not good.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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Edit: ^ OAC_Sparky, just what I was typing.

The tranny FORCED him to misshift on the 3rd to 4th shift and instead went into 2nd gear. Pretty sure if that happens in any car the engine isn't going to be very happy about it. No rev limiter is going to save that either. The whole FORCED to shift into the wrong gear seems pretty fishy.

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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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Yep...*******.

He screwed up. He is at WOT to pass on the freeway, and in his hurry he shifted into 2nd on accident. The sudden shift hit the rev limiter hard and overpowered it, sent the motor to 8,000+ and it crapped on him.

Bruised egos are quick to blame someone else for their screw up. My guess is he knows he screwed the pooch and is now scrambling to cover up his tracks like a cat trying to hide a turd on a marble floor.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Stangpilot007
Edit: ^ OAC_Sparky, just what I was typing.

The tranny FORCED him to misshift on the 3rd to 4th shift and instead went into 2nd gear. Pretty sure if that happens in any car the engine isn't going to be very happy about it. No rev limiter is going to save that either. The whole FORCED to shift into the wrong gear seems pretty fishy.
This.

What's funny is, if anything the tranny in the 5.0 forces you to shift into 4th, not 2nd.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 06:08 PM
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Don't you think, given his screen name, that there's just a slight chance he was spraying?

Even if not, it looks like the over-rev might have been what did him in.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang
Don't you think, given his screen name, that there's just a slight chance he was spraying?

Even if not, it looks like the over-rev might have been what did him in.
I thought that too but didnt say it..

Hm..."NOXER"...hmm..."Oh no I dont ever spray"..thats funny.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang
Don't you think, given his screen name, that there's just a slight chance he was spraying?

Even if not, it looks like the over-rev might have been what did him in.
Exactly my thoughts... Maybe he sould clarify what NOXER means. You know because nitrous is referred to as NOX sometimes.

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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 541MoparMan
.....and is now scrambling to cover up his tracks like a cat trying to hide a turd on a marble floor.

LOL I just spit beer on my keyboard, thanks......
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Stangpilot007
The whole FORCED to shift into the wrong gear seems pretty fishy.
It would be somewhat easy to mis-shift when you combine fast shifting at high speed and swerving your car in a passing manoeuver. I don't have an '11 yet (ordering a '12 in January) but I'm glad in my current car that I have the Steeda short shifter, it makes the shifter feel more "notchy" which after 27 years of driving standards I prefer.
Originally Posted by 541MoparMan
... is now scrambling to cover up his tracks like a cat trying to hide a turd on a marble floor.
LoL I vote this the colourful analogy of the day.
Originally Posted by m4a1mustang
Don't you think, given his screen name, that there's just a slight chance he was spraying?
I would give him the benefit of the doubt but he seems to be focussing on the nitrous angle and not the overspeed. I think that the engineer was listing what could cause this failure and not necessarily accusing of using nitrous.

That said, engine overspeed sets a code in the PCM, not sure if in the Mustang it resets over time or not.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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Could the off road x pipe cause it to run lean and burn a piston? You would think that Ford would say if you put an off road pipe on it than you are racing and it voids the warranty?

I hope this is the last one we hear about.

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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 10:05 PM
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Several of you have stated that you have doubt of the veracity of the thread starters story. I get that completely. That is why in my initial post I didn't recommend, "jump down ford's back" or even take a side. Just let them know that we as a community are watching and are hopeful that once the truth is know that fairness wins out.

I've had two check engine lights both of which indicated an engine backfire. This is with no performance mods and no track time. I would hate for something to go wrong and have ford just decide that clearly I must have done something just cuz!

I have chosen not to do a tune, intake, exhaust... anything, because I'm worried that there might be some sort of intrinsic weakness and that minor mods might be used as a scapegoat for this weakness. So I would hope that Ford is doing the right thing and will investigate the matter objectively and fairly.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by eric n
Several of you have stated that you have doubt of the veracity of the thread starters story. I get that completely. That is why in my initial post I didn't recommend, "jump down ford's back" or even take a side. Just let them know that we as a community are watching and are hopeful that once the truth is know that fairness wins out.

I've had two check engine lights both of which indicated an engine backfire. This is with no performance mods and no track time. I would hate for something to go wrong and have ford just decide that clearly I must have done something just cuz!

I have chosen not to do a tune, intake, exhaust... anything, because I'm worried that there might be some sort of intrinsic weakness and that minor mods might be used as a scapegoat for this weakness. So I would hope that Ford is doing the right thing and will investigate the matter objectively and fairly.
I agree with you; however, in the interest of "fairness" what we don't have here is BOTH sides of the story. What we DON'T have is the rep from Ford reporting his findings but instead have an aggrieved Mustang owner that admittedly blew a shift bemoaning that Ford isn't covering the damage to his car that he may very well have caused.

Personally, I have gone through the process; my '05 Focus ST developed a slight noticeable tick at 125,000km (78000mi) while still under ESP. I religiously maintain my vehicle, only run full synthetic oil that I change every 8000km (5000mi) but by the same token drive it very hard. After examining the engine they determined that it was a spun rod bearing, and wanted to do a teardown and warned me that if it was found to be an oil starvation or mod related problem that I would be responsible for the work. The only mod I had on the engine was a short ram intake.

After providing a detailed maintenance record, and after teardown (I witnessed the disassembled engine -- it was clean enough to eat off of inside), they replaced it with a brand new engine. Cost: $100, the deductible on the ESP.

The point that I'm trying to make is that Ford is thorough in its investigation -- it has to be because they can't go around replacing engines abused by customers. But by the same token they also don't go around denying legitimate claims either.

So let them know "you are watching" all you like, just bear in mind that before you pass judgment that either way you are still only going to get one side of the story.

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