Another Camaro5 thread....LMFAO!!
#82
Yes, I do. Ford did not set the Camaro as its target when engineering the 2011 Mustang's 5.0 or the Mustang itself. If it had, the 2011 Mustang would have resembled a canal barge instead of being the artistic beauty that it is. More specifically, instead of the advanced engineering of the 5.0, a Mustang designed to compete directly against the Camaro's LS3 would have had an old fashioned two valve OHV engine that strains to make 70 hp/liter. As far as competition, yes, it is necessary for meaningful progress, but let's have an even playing field (or at least some humility on the part of GM - at least until GM can purchase it freedom from its government masters). Finally, as my wife said while watching a Camaro cross our path at an intersection, "That car looks like it was two separate vehicles joined together."
#83
Yes, I do. Ford did not set the Camaro as its target when engineering the 2011 Mustang's 5.0 or the Mustang itself. If it had, the 2011 Mustang would have resembled a canal barge instead of being the artistic beauty that it is. More specifically, instead of the advanced engineering of the 5.0, a Mustang designed to compete directly against the Camaro's LS3 would have had an old fashioned two valve OHV engine that strains to make 70 hp/liter. As far as competition, yes, it is necessary for meaningful progress, but let's have an even playing field (or at least some humility on the part of GM - at least until GM can purchase it freedom from its government masters). Finally, as my wife said while watching a Camaro cross our path at an intersection, "That car looks like it was two separate vehicles joined together."
When Dave Pericak, chief engineer of the Mustang, was asked if his $23,000 V6 pony car was tuned just to beat Chevy, he replied, “I’m not going to lie to you, that’s exactly why.”
#85
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Don't forget which was first and wasn't dropped for 17 years.
#86
http://autos.aol.com/article/mustang...rsepower-wars/
When Dave Pericak, chief engineer of the Mustang, was asked if his $23,000 V6 pony car was tuned just to beat Chevy, he replied, “I’m not going to lie to you, that’s exactly why.”
When Dave Pericak, chief engineer of the Mustang, was asked if his $23,000 V6 pony car was tuned just to beat Chevy, he replied, “I’m not going to lie to you, that’s exactly why.”
#87
I don't want to see GM go under, I want them to wake up and stop acting like they are in "fisher price my first car company mode" the recent PR of them almost celebrating a paid off loan in which they paid with other people's money is not a smart move, they left out ALOT of stuff,
Dear Customer, yaaaaay we paid off our loan IN FULL!!
(but we still owe the people we took the money from to pay the loan with)
wtfff
why talk to your customer base like you just conquered a mountain? when all you did was move money over and you still owe that amount to someone else.
Dear Customer, yaaaaay we paid off our loan IN FULL!!
(but we still owe the people we took the money from to pay the loan with)
wtfff
why talk to your customer base like you just conquered a mountain? when all you did was move money over and you still owe that amount to someone else.
#88
Plot thickens...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...h-advertising/
General Motors is running ads on all the major networks this week claiming it has repaid its bailout from the taxpayers "in full." But the claim isn't standing up to scrutiny from lawmakers and government watchdogs who have found that the automaker was able to repay the bailout money only by dipping into a separate pot of bailout funds.
The TV spot may land GM in hot water with the Federal Trade Commission over its truth-in-advertising laws, which prohibit ads that are "likely to mislead consumers."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...h-advertising/
General Motors is running ads on all the major networks this week claiming it has repaid its bailout from the taxpayers "in full." But the claim isn't standing up to scrutiny from lawmakers and government watchdogs who have found that the automaker was able to repay the bailout money only by dipping into a separate pot of bailout funds.
The TV spot may land GM in hot water with the Federal Trade Commission over its truth-in-advertising laws, which prohibit ads that are "likely to mislead consumers."
#89
Now that could be something serious. Really, if all this is true, it was a bad move on GM's part. No one is happy they had to get bailed out due to bad business practices, but people are going to be even less happy if they pretty much lie about paying off their debts.
I could see a major court case occurring over this. We might even see this resolved by the time the 2020s are out.
I could see a major court case occurring over this. We might even see this resolved by the time the 2020s are out.
#90
"I don't want to see GM go under, I want them to wake up and stop acting like they are in "fisher price my first car company mod"." Exactly how I feel. GM, please redesign the Camaro, and do it soon.
#91
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Plot thickens...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...h-advertising/
General Motors is running ads on all the major networks this week claiming it has repaid its bailout from the taxpayers "in full." But the claim isn't standing up to scrutiny from lawmakers and government watchdogs who have found that the automaker was able to repay the bailout money only by dipping into a separate pot of bailout funds.
The TV spot may land GM in hot water with the Federal Trade Commission over its truth-in-advertising laws, which prohibit ads that are "likely to mislead consumers."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...h-advertising/
General Motors is running ads on all the major networks this week claiming it has repaid its bailout from the taxpayers "in full." But the claim isn't standing up to scrutiny from lawmakers and government watchdogs who have found that the automaker was able to repay the bailout money only by dipping into a separate pot of bailout funds.
The TV spot may land GM in hot water with the Federal Trade Commission over its truth-in-advertising laws, which prohibit ads that are "likely to mislead consumers."
#93
It's funny how things have changed between the camaro and mustang. The mustang has outsold the camaro for the majority of the time they have been around. The camaro generally was faster too. Now, the camaro is outselling the mustang and I think enough time has passed that shows it is for more reasons than pent up demand. The mustang is also faster now (although not by a whole lot) yet it remains to be seen if the mustang can retain its sells crown.
This is probably one of the few times, or possibly only times, the mustang and camaro have been so fairly matched in performance, price and sales.
Lastly, camaro5 is horrible site as has been stated. I went by camaroz28 because it was mentioned by others here and they are wayyyy better. There are some fanboys but that's normal.
#94
" Now, the camaro is outselling the mustang and I think enough time has passed that shows it is for more reasons than pent up demand." Can you provide sales figures to support this? I'm not saying it isn't so, but I really doubt that the Camaro outsold the 2010 Mustang or the 2009 either.
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" Now, the camaro is outselling the mustang and I think enough time has passed that shows it is for more reasons than pent up demand." Can you provide sales figures to support this? I'm not saying it isn't so, but I really doubt that the Camaro outsold the 2010 Mustang or the 2009 either.
#96
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GM is using the same logic that the Gov uses about Social Security.
The Gov has a myterious "Social Security Trust Fund"? BS!!! They use money that is currently being paid in to pay current liability. So when there are fewer contributors and more recieving benefits (i.e Baby boomers) it will go away unless another pot is tapped.
Eventually it will catch up to them.
The Gov has a myterious "Social Security Trust Fund"? BS!!! They use money that is currently being paid in to pay current liability. So when there are fewer contributors and more recieving benefits (i.e Baby boomers) it will go away unless another pot is tapped.
Eventually it will catch up to them.
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It is accurate because me collecting them and I make a graph of them so be sure
#99
Should make one with the numbers.
It'll fair out to be very close in terms of competition.
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