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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 04:34 PM
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2011 V6 runs very low 13s consistently

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ZPza_wN58

See for yourself. I wish him luck with getting in the 12s which is his goal. That was already a task with my N/A 99 cobra as I recall. Six months into the game here with very few mods and already knocking on the door for 12s. Impressive for the V6.

The aftermarket parts manufacturers better not sleep on the V6. I think it will have a stronger performance demand than past years. The 5.0 will always get the spotlight but I see some potential here for the sixxers.
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 06:15 PM
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I posted videos from that car on here a few weeks ago.

At 13.03 he is only some good air away from a 12 second run.
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 06:38 PM
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Sorry I missed the earlier post. My V6 is no where near that fast. It does pull stronger than many V8s in the upper RPM range which is good for driving on the autobahn but only good for 14sec 1/4 mile (estimate). The car in the video is an absolute beast. I'll take it with a paddle shifting sequential manual transmission or dual clutch technology over the automatic please. That would get it in the 12s for sure.
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eurocobra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ZPza_wN58

See for yourself. I wish him luck with getting in the 12s which is his goal. That was already a task with my N/A 99 cobra as I recall. Six months into the game here with very few mods and already knocking on the door for 12s. Impressive for the V6.

The aftermarket parts manufacturers better not sleep on the V6. I think it will have a stronger performance demand than past years. The 5.0 will always get the spotlight but I see some potential here for the sixxers.
If you had had a better reaction time, you would have been in the 12s in that run you put on YouTube, no question. You were about half a second late on the throttle. Mad props on the car, bro.
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eurocobra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ZPza_wN58

See for yourself. I wish him luck with getting in the 12s which is his goal. That was already a task with my N/A 99 cobra as I recall. Six months into the game here with very few mods and already knocking on the door for 12s. Impressive for the V6.

The aftermarket parts manufacturers better not sleep on the V6. I think it will have a stronger performance demand than past years. The 5.0 will always get the spotlight but I see some potential here for the sixxers.
I think some forced induction would get it there quite easily. With those kinds of times this guy is running, probably a change in tires and some suspension tuning will get the job done.
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 10:35 PM
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I think his actual best so far is a 13.021, just a LRCH away from a 12.

Like I said, just a little better air and he's there.
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 10:37 PM
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If you had had a better reaction time, you would have been in the 12s in that run you put on YouTube, no question. You were about half a second late on the throttle. Mad props on the car, bro.
Reaction times have no bearing on E.T.

Timers don't start until after you react to the tree.
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr

Reaction times have no bearing on E.T.

Timers don't start until after you react to the tree.
Really? I didn't know that. It doesn't make sense to me. That means that drag racing is almost 100% about the car not the driver...and with an automatic, it's 100% without question....shame. Like my friend says "show me how much money you have, and I'll tell you your time at the 1/4."
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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 06:16 AM
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Really? I didn't know that. It doesn't make sense to me. That means that drag racing is almost 100% about the car not the driver...and with an automatic, it's 100% without question....shame. Like my friend says "show me how much money you have, and I'll tell you your time at the 1/4."
Reaction time has no bearing on ET but it has a big bearing on whether you beat the guy in the other lane. So the driver still makes a big difference.
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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 08:42 AM
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Driver makes a huge difference.. I've seen 11 second cars run 14's with a poor driver, then hot lapped it to an 11sec run with a better driver.

..and as was said... Reaction time has nothing to do with your ET. Though it does matter when racing.. you can have a quicker ET and still lose the race because of your reaction time.
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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 69Mach1-409
. . ..and as was said... Reaction time has nothing to do with your ET . . . .
interesting, I did not understand that either

What about the 60-foot times that people talk about; do they include reaction time or do they also start when the car crosses the line?


Back to the original topic: yeah those are some great times for that V6 . . . I bet that beats my '10 GT though I haven't tried it yet . . . has anyone come out with a blower or turbo kit for the 3.7 yet?

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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 11:20 AM
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interesting, I did not understand that either

What about the 60-foot times that people talk about; do they include reaction time or do they also start when the car crosses the line?
All times are after the reaction time. Timers are not tripped until the car moves.

Reaction time is the time it takes you to react to the green light.

On a full tree there is .5 seconds between each yellow light and the green as they come down.

It takes a certain amount of time for your brain to react to seeing the light and making your feet move on the pedals. It also takes your car a certain amount of time to start to move once you react and move your feet on the pedals.

What this means is that if you want to make a good reaction time, you actually have to anticipate the green light, meaning that you actually start to react before the light turns green.

When I race I generally stomp the gas and release the brake as soon as I see the last yellow start to light up.

Lots of bracket racers use electronic devices called delay boxes to anticipate the green. They are hooked to the cars trans-brake and are adjustable to compensate for the cars reaction time and are triggerred by the driver as soon as the first yellow light comes on. With practice the driver can dial in the delay box to his and the cars reaction time allowing a near perfect reaction time to the tree.

Personally, I much prefer the non-electronics class bracket racing because it leaves your fate in your own hands. That way the best driver wins.

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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 12:07 PM
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holeshot wins are due to the driver - even though the loser may have had a lower et
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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
All times are after the reaction time. Timers are not tripped until the car moves. . . . .
thanks for that explanation

Just wondering -- do the staging lights have a regular rythm? Being a (hack) drummer it will be fun (someday) to try to time the green light by the rythm of the others.

So the driver influence on the 60-foot times is mainly wheel spin?


to satisfy the hijack police: yeah, that V6 sure is quick!
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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bert
thanks for that explanation

Just wondering -- do the staging lights have a regular rythm? Being a (hack) drummer it will be fun (someday) to try to time the green light by the rythm of the others.

So the driver influence on the 60-foot times is mainly wheel spin?
Staging lights?

The staged lights come on when the tires are properly located in the starting line light beams.

If you mean the yellow lights as they come down, as I stated above, on a full tree they are .5 seconds apart as they come down.

You should go to a drag strip and watch how it works for a while and the run your car.

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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 02:35 PM
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Practice here:

http://fast_wheels.tripod.com/react.htm

Then graduate and go here:

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/nhraxtreepro.html

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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bert
Just wondering -- do the staging lights have a regular rythm? Being a (hack) drummer it will be fun (someday) to try to time the green light by the rythm of the others.

to satisfy the hijack police: yeah, that V6 sure is quick!
No. Like most drummers they speed up.



Police? what police?



:stfu:


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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 04:08 PM
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If you mean the yellow lights as they come down, as I stated above, on a full tree they are .5 seconds apart as they come down . . .
yeah I guess you were pretty clear the first time . . . yes next summer I hope to spend some quality time at New England Dragway

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No. Like most drummers they speed up.
gulity as charged! that's what separates us hacks from the pros!
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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 69Mach1-409
Driver makes a huge difference.. I've seen 11 second cars run 14's with a poor driver, then hot lapped it to an 11sec run with a better driver.

..and as was said... Reaction time has nothing to do with your ET. Though it does matter when racing.. you can have a quicker ET and still lose the race because of your reaction time.
You know, mathematically, you could the have a race where the time board says one car ran a 14 second 1/4 mile, and the other car, ran a 13 second 1/4 mile, but the 14 second car actually WINS because the 13 second car had a quicker reaction time and the 14 second car arrived at the finish FIRST. Is that right? That just sounds wrong....
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Old Jan 7, 2011 | 08:37 PM
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Pretty cool sites. Thanks!
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