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2011 Mustang Gt: 6-Speed Manual vs 6-Speed Automatic Performance Difference

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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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Ford has never had a good automatic transmission. BMW has a great one in their 335i.
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Adam2004
Ford has never had a good automatic transmission. BMW has a great one in their 335i.
That's your opinion.

I believe the 5R55S (the Mustang automatic from 05-10) to be a very nice transmission. It is robust, has great gear spacing, and shifts awesome if you have a tuner bump line pressure and shift points. Through in a high rpm stall converter and hang on tight for some hard launches at the dragstrip.
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
That's your opinion.

I believe the 5R55S (the Mustang automatic from 05-10) to be a very nice transmission. It is robust, has great gear spacing, and shifts awesome if you have a tuner bump line pressure and shift points. Through in a high rpm stall converter and hang on tight for some hard launches at the dragstrip.
Agreed I found the 5R55S to be a very nice tranny as well. I felt the only thing it needed was a manual shift capability and 6 speed and it would be perfect.

For those of you who feel a DCT type tranny can't live behind high torque or high horsepower cars only have to look at what BMW with its DCT or Porsche with its PDK to see that is not the case at all.

The DCT in the M3 lives all the way to its redline of 8400rpm all the while making 414hp, I do realize its torque that kills trannies but the DCT in the M3 is robust as hell. Not to mention PDK in a 997.2 Turbo that makes 500hp and 480 ft/lbs (516 in overboost) of tq.

It can be done but its gonna cost and with these cars already getting expensive..we will see.

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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Adam2004
Ford has never had a good automatic transmission. BMW has a great one in their 335i.
Well, guess what! You'll be glad to know the new boxes in the 2011 V6 and V8 Mustangs are Ford's copies of the ZF. Maybe not as good as the ZF, but for what you're getting, and relative to GM's, it will certainly be a winner.

Originally Posted by max2000jp
I don't understand why either. DCT/DSG transmissions are the future.
Too much power/torque means higher costs won't be desirable for this demographic.

Originally Posted by nonsensez9
is the auto a manu-matic? if so, does the throttle blip on downshift?
Being based off the ZF is would have this option built in. But reading the 19 page article posted in the other thread it appears you won't have that feature. I could be mistaken, though.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Falc'man
Well, guess what! You'll be glad to know the new boxes in the 2011 V6 and V8 Mustangs are Ford's copies of the ZF. Maybe not as good as the ZF, but for what you're getting, and relative to GM's, it will certainly be a winner.

Too much power/torque means higher costs won't be desirable for this demographic.

Being based off the ZF is would have this option built in. But reading the 19 page article posted in the other thread it appears you won't have that feature. I could be mistaken, though.
If it is the same ZF gearbox that Ford put in the Jaguar XF, then that gear box is considered one of the best sorted autos in the industry, with many reviewers questioning the need for a dual clutch style. And yes, it has manual control (paddles).

Checked the article in 5.0 posted elsewhere on this site, and it looks like the transmission is a 6r80 that has been used in expeditions and navigators. Don't know if this is a ZF box or not.

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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Falc'man
Well, guess what! You'll be glad to know the new boxes in the 2011 V6 and V8 Mustangs are Ford's copies of the ZF. Maybe not as good as the ZF, but for what you're getting, and relative to GM's, it will certainly be a winner.

Too much power/torque means higher costs won't be desirable for this demographic.

Being based off the ZF is would have this option built in. But reading the 19 page article posted in the other thread it appears you won't have that feature. I could be mistaken, though.
Do you have any links on the transmission being based off the ZF? I haven't seen this yet. Thanks.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Adam2004
Do you have any links on the transmission being based off the ZF? I haven't seen this yet. Thanks.
No, just talk from those who work at Ford.

Looking at the gear-set/ratios of Mustang's automatic, it is the same/identical to that of the ZF's. This is further indication that what I've read is true.


Ford six speed auto(found in 2011 Mustang)

1st 4.17
2nd 2.34
3rd 1.52
4th 1.14
5th 0.87
6th 0.69



ZF six speed auto

1st (6-Speed automatic) 4.17
2nd (6-Speed automatic) 2.34
3rd (6-Speed automatic) 1.52
4th (6-Speed automatic) 1.14
5th (6-Speed automatic) 0.87
6th (6-Speed automatic) 0.69

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