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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SpOnkey21
Aero instability my butt. The old fox bodies were easy to drive over 120 and the aero was WAY worse on those. These cars are really easy to drive over 100. I can go 120 in my stock piece of crap 97 civic without a shudder.
There are plenty of CHP and NHP officers who drove the police package Fox bodies that will refute that. They proved to be a **** handful to drive at speeds above 120-125 mph, quite unlike the package Camaros of the day. Most of the problem centered around aerodynamics - the Mustangs would lift at high speeds while the Camaros would squat.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
I said close...
98/102mph -> 118... not close...

98->100...that's close..
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 02:17 PM
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the 2011 mustang is gonna set the pony musclecar industry on its ear. Way to go Ford!
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 05:23 PM
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Only redeeming thing in this article is some more photos...didn't mention once on how the car felt at speed nor did the author even get a chance to drive the car...
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CHPMustang
There are plenty of CHP and NHP officers who drove the police package Fox bodies that will refute that. They proved to be a **** handful to drive at speeds above 120-125 mph, quite unlike the package Camaros of the day. Most of the problem centered around aerodynamics - the Mustangs would lift at high speeds while the Camaros would squat.
Agreed, I know of one officer who was in my Army National Guard unit who lost control of his Fox bodied CHP car but he lived to tell about it. They all complained there was no downforce on the rear of these cars making them real squirlley above 120mph.

Dave
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Has anyone seen any info regarding what C&D is refering to the auto trans "with manumatic shifting" ??? Or is it just like other cheap autos, 1rst, 2nd, and D only.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CHPMustang
There are plenty of CHP and NHP officers who drove the police package Fox bodies that will refute that. They proved to be a **** handful to drive at speeds above 120-125 mph, quite unlike the package Camaros of the day. Most of the problem centered around aerodynamics - the Mustangs would lift at high speeds while the Camaros would squat.
I'll second that. I decided to see what my Fox would do on the Sea to Sky Hwy and I'm not gonna lie, I think I peed myself a bit when I hit 120. It was not what I would call "stable". Especially when the realization hit that the stock brakes were going to have to stop me!

When I rented a 2010, and did the same thing on the same stretch of hwy, it was completely undramatic.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 05:41 PM
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...Any way to order a GT/CS with stripe/spoiler delete? I love most of it except for those.
ditto...
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave07997S
Agreed, I know of one officer who was in my Army National Guard unit who lost control of his Fox bodied CHP car but he lived to tell about it. They all complained there was no downforce on the rear of these cars making them real squirlley above 120mph.

Dave
You bet. It's not pretty when you lose it at > 100mph but the officer driving this '84 Fox survived as well (the Porsche he was pursuing outside of Barstow got away). Maybe the same guy?

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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CHPMustang
You bet. It's not pretty when you lose it at > 100mph but the officer driving this '84 Fox survived as well (the Porsche he was pursuing outside of Barstow got away). Maybe the same guy?

Could be..it was back in 1989 when I just got out of the Regular Army..I remember he couldn't attend drills because he was injured with a serious back injury.

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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Clino
I'll second that. I decided to see what my Fox would do on the Sea to Sky Hwy and I'm not gonna lie, I think I peed myself a bit when I hit 120. It was not what I would call "stable". Especially when the realization hit that the stock brakes were going to have to stop me!

When I rented a 2010, and did the same thing on the same stretch of hwy, it was completely undramatic.
LOL..the stock brakes on a Fox body wasn't much better than Fred Flintstone with his feet.

Dave
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CHPMustang
There are plenty of CHP and NHP officers who drove the police package Fox bodies that will refute that. They proved to be a **** handful to drive at speeds above 120-125 mph, quite unlike the package Camaros of the day. Most of the problem centered around aerodynamics - the Mustangs would lift at high speeds while the Camaros would squat.
Also Alabama State Troopers! I drove one for 5 years (149,000 miles) and it was the most reliable Patrol Car I have ever seen, but they were unstable above 125. The most I ever did on level ground was 137 by Radar and 151 downhill (in a car with rear drum brakes)!! Yes the Camaros were more stable, but that experiment didn't last long because they all broke before we could finish testing them!!
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jedikd
So you're fine with a computer dictating your A/F mixture, ABS system, steering, throttle, traction, stability, but NOT the top speed?

I thought it was a pretty good article, no driving impressions which is too bad. Worth it for this line alone though:
"get a rear wing that should function as the perfect perch for your case of Natural Light at the next Nickelback concert tailgate"

Any way to order a GT/CS with stripe/spoiler delete? I love most of it except for those.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ttgt500
It would not be intelligent to remove the speed limited unless you prepared the car for higher speeds. Ford sets these limits for a reason. V6 and GT will BOTH need higher rated tires, then you have aero and suspension stability to worry about.
Have to agree. I've read a number of threads about the sponginess and hood flutter above 100, and the suspension really needs to be firmer at speeds much above that.
I can do 100 all day long and it feels like 70. Its good up till 120 and then its getting a bit floaty, but acceptable. 130 was uncomfortable although the engine was eager for more. Needs firmer suspension than the stock Bullitt. And the Bullitt is firmer than the 05-09 GT's. Now this was on a two lane so maybe a nice smooth freeway would be a bit different.
One Bullitt owner slapped on his helmet and went to 150 (said the engine was still pullin' hard and climbing). Personally I wouldn't want to try that with stock suspension and no way to 'release' the wind trapped in the engine bay.


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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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no way to 'release' the wind trapped in the engine bay.


The hood needs extractor vent(s).
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave07997S
LOL..the stock brakes on a Fox body wasn't much better than Fred Flintstone with his feet.

Dave
LOL, it's true...

I got pulled over for speeding once when I was punk teenager and the cop goes to me "Do you know how fast you were going?!" and then before I even had a chance to answer he goes "and do you know how terrible the brakes are on these cars?!" Then he proceeded to tell me about his old 82 GT, gave me a warning, and suggested I take it to the track next time I wanted to drive that fast! It was so cool and to this day I do my speeding on the track.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 09:58 PM
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Sounds good. I wonder if the steering feel/response can be "electronically" tuned by the end-user?
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Clino
I'll second that. I decided to see what my Fox would do on the Sea to Sky Hwy and I'm not gonna lie, I think I peed myself a bit when I hit 120. It was not what I would call "stable". Especially when the realization hit that the stock brakes were going to have to stop me!

When I rented a 2010, and did the same thing on the same stretch of hwy, it was completely undramatic.
What's worse, I think the "notch" body style isn't as balanced "aerodynamically" (the Foxes are like bricks ) and the F/R weight distribution is horrible too. I have a "notch" and can sense most of the weight on the front and how light and "lively" the back end is during spirited driving.

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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 10:09 PM
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SVT > *

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDuLPXunHQQ

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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave07997S
LOL..the stock brakes on a Fox body wasn't much better than Fred Flintstone with his feet.

Dave
Probably worse. I owned two '79s and both would lock up the right rear wheel during only moderate braking and caused me to do a full 360 once during hard braking in the rain. The dealer said "they all do that"...
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