Not old 302
and NOT a bored/stroked 4.6

Related to... but not bumped engine.

 

Sorry. Same ol' 4.6L! If we are lucky, maybe 315hp.
Still a very nice car, but I'll wait for the 2011MY!! Unless for some reason, demons take over my body and I end up buying a Camaro SS?

 

STOP THAT!

 

I agree! I dont think that Ford is that dumb that they wont bump up the power reasonably to 340-350 hp.

 

In these economic times, unless Ford can create a high horsepower engine that gets substantially higher fuel mileage, why would they try and outdo GM or Chrysler? The Mustang will outsell the Camaro and Challenger regardless. It has always been that way and it always will.

 

Don't be too sure, remember back in 94' we got a brand new Mustang with the old fox-body 5.0. If my memory serves me correctly the 94' GT had the same 215HP as the 93'.

 

Ok, you're right, I was just trying to remain optimistic. But back then IIRC, that was still pretty good horsepower. Remember the goodyear ads showing the mustang could do 144mph? Now it has lots of competition just around the corner and they have known about that for a while.

Also I mentioned about a month ago, that I had talked to someone in charge of technical things (cant out him), and he said the powertrain will not be carry over. I dont know if this means the sixer or the V8 or the TTv6 or what. It could just mean revised 4.6 for all I know.

 

Pretty good horsepower? It was the same motor put in a heavier car. They made the 4th gen 5.0s slower than the 87-93 fox body cars!

Ok lets break it down.

93 Mustang GT 205HP, 275 TQ vs 92 Camaro Z28 230HP, 300TQ
These were fairly comparable because the GT was a lighter car.

94 Mustang GT 215HP, 285TQ vs 93 Camaro Z28 275HP, 325TQ

99 Mustang GT 260HP, 302TQ vs 98 Camaro Z28 305HP, 335TQ

The difference of 60HP is pretty significant, then in 99 they further upgraded to 305HP. Ford followed suit in 99' with 260....... still 45HP short of the Camaro.

I hate to say it but i'm not all that surprised that the Camaro is going to be much faster, as i've just proven the Camaro has been the more powerful car for quite a while. Some may argue that the current Mustang GT is more or less equal or perhaps slower than the 98-02 Z-28s. This new Camaro is going to be head and shoulders above the old car.

I am excited for the 10' Mustang, but I won't be buying one for a while. I think a used GT500 is my safe bet, 315ish HP doesn't do it for me.

 

You got it!!!! My 08 will be paid off and the 2012-2014 will be in my sights for sure!!

 

I stopped following the mustang after 1994 due to its lack of excitement for me. The styling was new and cool, but I couldnt afford one then and it didnt excite me enough to consider one. I bought a 1994 Honda Civic that got me 50 mpg and was plenty quick for the day. Pocket rocket. Nowadays there is no comparison and I dont think the quality of Hondas is that great anymore. The styling plain sucks.

 

I'll put my 2 cents in. I don't think ford has to worry about the Challenger. I feel the challenger is so retro, it feels to much like a gimmick. Mustang has been around non stop and changing looks whether good or bad. The 05+ were a great retro car, but it was a retro "feel", not a copy. Some people say if they want a Challenger that looks just like the old one, they will find and old one, its not unique enough. Challenger looks (from the outside) just like its early 70's counterpart. Wow, did they near copy the body style. Now Camero is the one to worry about. It has a "feel" of retro but the very modern and they have been around for a long time too. They just took a short break. They sound good, and don't look to bad. The new show "My own worst enemy" has it featured. Bottom line: Challenger gimmick will fade, but watch out for the Camero. Ford will have there hands full with GM. Unless GM and Chrylser merge, thats a chat for another day.

 

There is also the EPA factor.
Ford will want to keep the base GT under any gas guzzler tax.
Remember the SRT-8 has the GGT which puts it in the GT500 group.
We don't even know for sure about the V8 Camaros.

 

Slushbox SS Camaro models get the lower output, L99 6.2L because the LS3 cannot avoid the GGT when an auto trans is parked behind it....at least not in this car. With the manual tran the LS3 can make the grade and so, the 6M SS gets the LS3.

 

the current gt will run with a 98-02 ss except for the anniversary edition

 

I think it's funny how confident you guys are about the Mustang outselling the other two upcoming pony cars. Yes I know the trend, but in this market anything can happen. Especially with the impending merger of GM and Chrysler. I'm not saying I don't have faith in Ford, but these are tough times and anything can happen. What if all the GM faithful that have been waiting for the new Camaro for 5 years have been saving up and GM sells 400k Camaros in the first year?? Again with the market, that is unlikely but you never know. With the F-150 no longer the most sold vehicle in the US, I wouldn't hold my breath for the underpowered and outclassed Mustang to continue to be the sales leader. If it DOES continue, I will stand corrected...We shall see.

 

I think Ford should carry on with the terrific design they have now as the starting point. Continue to evolve the retro look (except don't think of it as retro, think of it as timeless) the way other companies like BMW have continued to evolve the look of the M3.

I see no need to throw out what they now have in favor of some "all new" design. Doing so also diminishes the bloodline. By continuing to evolve the current design Ford secures the lineage, keeps previous owners happier, and probably helps resale value down the road, too.

As to Mustang vs. other cars - while I agree that there will always be a faster car, that doesn't mean that the Mustang can't be competitive in the high performance coupe segment.

Here's what I think Ford ought to be doing - employing the same strategy to the Mustang that they used for their GT supercar: a world beating/matching performance car for half the price of the exotics.

Now imagine cloning that same strategy over to the Mustang - giving us a car that offers much of the raw performance and three-fourths the refinement of an M3, but for half to two-thirds the money. And Ford didn't have volume on its side with the GT like it does with the Mustang, so I see no reason why this strategy wouldn't work with the Stang. And indeed, the 2011 sounds as though it will be utilizing much of this strategy. If it had IRS, the 2011 Stang would be right there neck and neck with the M3, I'll wager.

 

I know a lot of GM faithful around here.
Their excitement over the new Camaro is a little greater than it was for the GTO.
That really isn't saying much for sales here.
Tough times indeed, that never helps sales.
It is part of what killed the original Challenger.
I don't see things being any better now than the tough times I lived through in the mid '70s.
In fact, it will probably be worse.

 

More to the point, with Chrysler in its death throes, and GM mere months away from bankruptcy, the competition that quickly sprang forth may just as quickly take a dirt nap. [Note: I full expect GM to survive, and likely the Camaro along with it, but the Challenger is gone after this model run, guaranteed.]

Ford would probably be wiser to benchmark what the imports are doing from here on out.

 

What if Martians land on The White House lawn next week?

Kidding aside, I see no chance in hell of GM selling 400K Camaros this coming year, not in the middle of a painful global recession with consumer confidence falling faster than a skydiver without a parachute.

 

Indeed, IMO GM will probably be hard pressed to sell 90k in the first year. It took Mustang 3 years (or was it 2) to accomplish 400k cars and that was with no competition. In 2010 there will be Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, and if folks are inclined there will be Tiburon as well. Thats alot of pie to be slicing up.

I think like Mustang (wish I could remember the article where I read that), GM needs an average 80k cars a year to make the F5 a viable business case over its planned production life.

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Errr crap, I meant Genesis Coue rather than Tiburon