2010 Engine
11/17/08, 12:31 PM
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Boy what a joke, a whole extra 15 hp!!! I was set to order one on Wed. but now I am seriously thinking about keeping the 05.. I also didn't see the Sonic Blue I wanted... Well I guess it looks like 2011 will be a better choice...
11/17/08, 12:59 PM
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Well, the 15 HP gain is a bit disappointing, but keep in mind that they now have a 3.73 gear ratio option for the GT. The little extra HP in combination with the better gearing should make it a bit quicker... Unless the curb weight of the 2010 has been increased.
11/17/08, 01:00 PM
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no point.. you want the new 5.0 with 400hp and improved MPG anyway.. in the 2011.
11/17/08, 01:03 PM
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Something else to consider... the ordering guide states that the 15 "extra" HP comes from the tuning from the Bullitt Mustang. So I guess the 2010 engine is just tuned more aggressively from the factory. I would guess that the 2010 engine would therefore benefit less than the '05 to '09 engines, since they are already factory tuned to some extent. In other words, the '05 to '09 engines will respond more to tuning.
I bet the 2010 will require more than 87 octane.
I bet the 2010 will require more than 87 octane.
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Yeah I was definatly hoping that it would at least produce more than the current bullitt. 15hp and 0tq. So it appears that it may actually be slower (while costing more) due to the added weight of the new features and amenities. I don't know if the 15 hp it is going to cut it. Yeah I know the 2011 gets the 5.0 and there is no point in spending R&D money on the 4.6 for one year. But Ford needs money now, not in 2 years. It may be to late then. I don't think it would take much to squeeze another 15 horses out of it. For the 2010 MY, magazines and auto reviewers are going to tear the stang to shreds when the Mustang/Challenger/Camaro comparos come out. I can see it now... "Mustang falls short to it's new competition with low HP and live axle". Unfortunatly there are a lot of idiots out there who beleive everything they read in a magazine. It's going to be brutal.
I know I would be pissed when I just bought a $35k 2010 Mustang GT and a 05 Mustang GT w/ a tune and intake blows my doors off...lol
I know I would be pissed when I just bought a $35k 2010 Mustang GT and a 05 Mustang GT w/ a tune and intake blows my doors off...lol
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11/17/08, 01:13 PM
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Im sorry but using a Bullit motor and giving it 15 more horsepower is weak as ****!!!! I was expecting the motor to be at least around 330! Im kinda bummed simply because now everybody will once again put down my favorite car for being the weak *** of the class again! 
I sure hope Ford pulls their heads out for 2011.... I do also hope however that this car does well I just find it hard to believe anybody is going to purchase this car for nearly the same price as a 400hp challenger or camaro. JMHO!
I sure hope Ford pulls their heads out for 2011.... I do also hope however that this car does well I just find it hard to believe anybody is going to purchase this car for nearly the same price as a 400hp challenger or camaro. JMHO!
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either. If it does, it makes buying a used '05-'09 an even easier decision in 2010. I have a feeling it wont be pulled; I don't think it would make financial sense.
11/17/08, 02:31 PM
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2) If the $(Cost of designing a new engine that makes more hp) is less than $(Cost of lost business due to having a 315hp engine for 1 model year), then they would have redesigned the engine for 2010. Clearly, Ford executives/analysts have determined that they will make MORE MONEY (or lose less money) by NOT redesigning the engine for MY2010.
It would cost ALOT of money to do this (think about this.. just to have a quick meeting about this with a room full of 50 engineers would cost over $5000 for 1 hour. Imagine coordinating a many month effort among various business units..you are talking like $500k-$1 million per week that they work on this just for +30hp)
Ford is doing the right thing. If anyone wants to buy a Camaro instead, they can go do that - and bye! Ford has already calculated their lost business into their decision.
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11/17/08, 03:03 PM
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1) Ford wants to make money. Ford's executives want Ford to make money.
2) If the $(Cost of designing a new engine that makes more hp) is less than $(Cost of lost business due to having a 315hp engine for 1 model year), then they would have redesigned the engine for 2010. Clearly, Ford executives/analysts have determined that they will make MORE MONEY (or lose less money) by NOT redesigning the engine for MY2010.
It would cost ALOT of money to do this (think about this.. just to have a quick meeting about this with a room full of 50 engineers would cost over $5000 for 1 hour. Imagine coordinating a many month effort among various business units..you are talking like $500k-$1 million per week that they work on this just for +30hp)
Ford is doing the right thing. If anyone wants to buy a Camaro instead, they can go do that - and bye! Ford has already calculated their lost business into their decision.
2) If the $(Cost of designing a new engine that makes more hp) is less than $(Cost of lost business due to having a 315hp engine for 1 model year), then they would have redesigned the engine for 2010. Clearly, Ford executives/analysts have determined that they will make MORE MONEY (or lose less money) by NOT redesigning the engine for MY2010.
It would cost ALOT of money to do this (think about this.. just to have a quick meeting about this with a room full of 50 engineers would cost over $5000 for 1 hour. Imagine coordinating a many month effort among various business units..you are talking like $500k-$1 million per week that they work on this just for +30hp)
Ford is doing the right thing. If anyone wants to buy a Camaro instead, they can go do that - and bye! Ford has already calculated their lost business into their decision.
11/17/08, 03:22 PM
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Something else to consider... the ordering guide states that the 15 "extra" HP comes from the tuning from the Bullitt Mustang. So I guess the 2010 engine is just tuned more aggressively from the factory. I would guess that the 2010 engine would therefore benefit less than the '05 to '09 engines, since they are already factory tuned to some extent. In other words, the '05 to '09 engines will respond more to tuning.
I bet the 2010 will require more than 87 octane.
I bet the 2010 will require more than 87 octane.
11/17/08, 03:48 PM
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Wow folks. It wasn't that long ago that our beloved Mustang GT only put out 215 HP. And at the time, people were probably crying for 275-300 HP.
It's understandable that you may want EVERYTHING to be increased or better in this new car, but come on. It's no secret that Ford people browse message boards like these. They've addressed many complaints about the Mustang with the 2010 model. They are giving a bump (although not large enough for a LOT of people here) in HP immediately, followed by a much larger bump in the near future. They're offering performance packages as a factory option. The quality of the fit and finish and available features are at an all-time high for this car. When will people ever be satisfied with this car and this car company?
It could be much worse, you know. Our Mustang really could have turned into the Ford Probe and gone away much sooner than the Camaro/Firebird did.
It's understandable that you may want EVERYTHING to be increased or better in this new car, but come on. It's no secret that Ford people browse message boards like these. They've addressed many complaints about the Mustang with the 2010 model. They are giving a bump (although not large enough for a LOT of people here) in HP immediately, followed by a much larger bump in the near future. They're offering performance packages as a factory option. The quality of the fit and finish and available features are at an all-time high for this car. When will people ever be satisfied with this car and this car company?
It could be much worse, you know. Our Mustang really could have turned into the Ford Probe and gone away much sooner than the Camaro/Firebird did.
11/17/08, 04:36 PM
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1) Ford wants to make money. Ford's executives want Ford to make money.
2) If the $(Cost of designing a new engine that makes more hp) is less than $(Cost of lost business due to having a 315hp engine for 1 model year), then they would have redesigned the engine for 2010. Clearly, Ford executives/analysts have determined that they will make MORE MONEY (or lose less money) by NOT redesigning the engine for MY2010.
It would cost ALOT of money to do this (think about this.. just to have a quick meeting about this with a room full of 50 engineers would cost over $5000 for 1 hour. Imagine coordinating a many month effort among various business units..you are talking like $500k-$1 million per week that they work on this just for +30hp)
Ford is doing the right thing. If anyone wants to buy a Camaro instead, they can go do that - and bye! Ford has already calculated their lost business into their decision.
2) If the $(Cost of designing a new engine that makes more hp) is less than $(Cost of lost business due to having a 315hp engine for 1 model year), then they would have redesigned the engine for 2010. Clearly, Ford executives/analysts have determined that they will make MORE MONEY (or lose less money) by NOT redesigning the engine for MY2010.
It would cost ALOT of money to do this (think about this.. just to have a quick meeting about this with a room full of 50 engineers would cost over $5000 for 1 hour. Imagine coordinating a many month effort among various business units..you are talking like $500k-$1 million per week that they work on this just for +30hp)
Ford is doing the right thing. If anyone wants to buy a Camaro instead, they can go do that - and bye! Ford has already calculated their lost business into their decision.
So why do you think their money geniuses now?
11/17/08, 05:27 PM
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I'm wondering if this car becomes so unpopular that we see the 5.0 in a 2010.5 Mustang? Subaru was quick to give the WRX model a lot of extra power and looks after just one model year of bad sales....
Good think I'm a patient person because If I had to make an impulse buy for 2010, my money would go to the Camaro or a used GT500.
Good think I'm a patient person because If I had to make an impulse buy for 2010, my money would go to the Camaro or a used GT500.
11/17/08, 05:37 PM
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Honestly, I am shocked and disappointed. I am disappointed that the bump is only 15hp, I am SHOCKED that they didn't use the 4.6 3V they have listed on the FRPP website that produces 350hp and only costs $7,000!
http://www.fordracingparts.com/home/home.asp
Using that engine would have been a perfect transition to the 5.0 because it wouldn't keep ALL of the current S197 community from buying the 10.... but 315 sure does!
09- 300hp
10- 350hp
11- 400HP 5.0 V8!
Could have been perfect!
http://www.fordracingparts.com/home/home.asp
Using that engine would have been a perfect transition to the 5.0 because it wouldn't keep ALL of the current S197 community from buying the 10.... but 315 sure does!
09- 300hp
10- 350hp
11- 400HP 5.0 V8!
Could have been perfect!