2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 12:20 AM
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I'm Not Complaining. European Inspiration isn't a bad thing in my book.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 07:03 AM
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I am failing to see why European-inspired design is a bad thing. They seem to do pretty well in that department.
It's not necessarily a bad thing. But it's not an American thing. And the Mustang should be nothing if not American in its design.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Even Steven
It's not necessarily a bad thing. But it's not an American thing. And the Mustang should be nothing if not American in its design.
The 2005 wasn't an American design. The chief engineer was Vietnamese and exterior designer was Canadian.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by holderca1
The 2005 wasn't an American design. The chief engineer was Vietnamese and exterior designer was Canadian.

OMG, you just don't get it. An American design has nothing to do with WHO created it. Besides, do you really think that the Canadian you are referring to was the only person who designed the exterior of the car? LOL. Sorry to correct you, but it's a team of many designers, most of which I'd bet were Americans. But then again, it doesn't matter who designed the Mustang as long as it is an American design.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:38 AM
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IT LOOKS LIKE A MUSTANG, SO THEREFOR IT MUST LOOK AMERICAN IN MY OPINION!

I'm Sick To Death of These Haters Who Are So Hung Up On The Past They Cannot Embrace Anything New! I Would Have HATED To Have Been Around When Ford Introduced the
Mustang II's or the 79's, Listening To The Haters ***** About Them!

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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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Not to go way off-topic here, but what is Canadian design anyway?
(I'm not a hater. Canada is a beautiful country.)
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:46 AM
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I'm guessing it has something to do with the hockey stick.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:48 AM
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Dont forget the beer, eh?
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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On;y thing i'm not a fan of on the 2010 and I just realized it today, is that the black plastic on the rear comes up too high IMO. It it was cut a but lower and the body color extended further down, it woudl look better.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TampaBear67
IT LOOKS LIKE A MUSTANG, SO THEREFOR IT MUST LOOK AMERICAN IN MY OPINION!

I'm Sick To Death of These Haters Who Are So Hung Up On The Past They Cannot Embrace Anything New! I Would Have HATED To Have Been Around When Ford Introduced the 79's or the Mustang II's Listening To The Haters ***** About Them!

It has nothing to do with being a "hater" or not... some people will like it, some people will hate it. We're all here to voice our opinions. You have yours and I have mine. Unfortunately for you, it sure seems that the vast majority of people posting in this forum don't like much about the rear end styling. So if you want to yell at someone, you have plenty of people to choose... LOL
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Even Steven
It's not necessarily a bad thing. But it's not an American thing. And the Mustang should be nothing if not American in its design.
The design of the original Mustang was in fact influenced by Italian sports cars like the Ferrari because Iacocca (who is Italian) liked them very much and wanted to create an affordable American sports car with some of those European virtues. So among the many things we got the open mouth grille, louvered quarter windows set in a fastback roofline and a horse emblem...

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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Even Steven
OMG, you just don't get it. An American design has nothing to do with WHO created it. Besides, do you really think that the Canadian you are referring to was the only person who designed the exterior of the car? LOL. Sorry to correct you, but it's a team of many designers, most of which I'd bet were Americans. But then again, it doesn't matter who designed the Mustang as long as it is an American design.
Really? Wow, I didn't know that. I had thought one person did everything. <end sarcasm> I was just trying to make a point. I am an engineer, I kind of know how the whole thing works. There is also a difference between European design and European-inspired design, which is something you didn't get. Apparently, you think only designs created in the 60s are American designs and anything after that isn't. I guess it isn't possible for new American designs to be created, we are just stuck with whatever was done 50 years ago and it is impossible for people to have creative ideas in modern times. Stop living in the past.

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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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Okay, so now we have you claiming that the '79 - '93 Stangs were European inspired, and we have another guy who claims the original Stang was European inspired.

So here's the question... why are you guys so against the idea of the 2010 being European inspired then?
Yeah those facts are true about the Mustang being Euro inspired. The original had Ferrari influence because Iacocca liked them. The Mustang II was influenced by the Capri. The 1979 Mustang was euro influenced by taking recently introduced styling cues from the new European Ford Granadas, Australian Ford Falcons and Ford Fairmonts which all introduced a related boxy design language.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by watchdevil
The design of the original Mustang was in fact influenced by Italian sports cars like the Ferrari because Iacocca (who is Italian) liked them very much and wanted to create an affordable American sports car with some of those European virtues. So among the many things we got the open mouth grille, louvered quarter windows set in a fastback roofline and a horse emblem...

You do realize that Iacocca had nothing to do with designing the car, right? He was at the business end of bringing the car to market.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by holderca1
Really? Wow, I didn't know that. I had thought one person did everything. <end sarcasm> I was just trying to make a point. I am an engineer, I kind of know how the whole thing works. There is also a difference between European design and European-inspired design, which is something you didn't get. Apparently, you think only designs created in the 60s are American designs and anything after that isn't. I guess it isn't possible for new American designs to be created, we are just stuck with whatever was done 50 years ago and it is impossible for people to have creative ideas in modern times. Stop living in the past.
Um... no. I never even suggested what you're saying. You once again completely miss the point. It has nothing to do with when a design was created. It's about heritage in styling and understanding what looks American and what does not. If I had 10 pictures of cars that none of us had ever seen before and none of them had any type of badges/logos on them, I could tell you where they originated or at least the country which inspired the design of each of them just by the styling alone. To my eyes, each country has a very distinctive look to the styling of their cars. Living in the U.S. for my entire life, I know what looks American and what does not, past, present, or future. Open up your mind...
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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Granted you can weed out all the rebadges.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Even Steven
Um... no. I never even suggested what you're saying. You once again completely miss the point. It has nothing to do with when a design was created. It's about heritage in styling and understanding what looks American and what does not. If I had 10 pictures of cars that none of us had ever seen before and none of them had any type of badges/logos on them, I could tell you where they originated or at least the country which inspired the design of each of them just by the styling alone. To my eyes, each country has a very distinctive look to the styling of their cars. Living in the U.S. for my entire life, I know what looks American and what does not, past, present, or future. Open up your mind...
This is a funny post. You say it has nothing to do with when a design is created, then you immediately follow that with it's about heritage. What do you think heritage means??? Open my mind? Even more hilarious, since you are the one that is so close-minded to anything that isn't American.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 11:26 PM
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You do realize that Iacocca had nothing to do with designing the car, right? He was at the business end of bringing the car to market.
How stupid do you really think I am?

I never stated that Iacocca designed the cars. How in the would did you get the idea that I think he designed the Mustang ? With his keen insight, ideas and great instinct for knowing what he thought customers would buy he set forth with his vision to create a market for a small affordable sporty car.

You do realize the designers that worked on the Mustang project were always in tune with what Iacocca liked and they would often design by flattering his sensibilities and interpeting his vision. Designers competed in different studios to create the winning design. The winner was the Joe Oros/Dave Ash "Cougar" proposal which had several elements of the Thunderbird which Iacocca was always very fond of. For the "Cougar" proposal they used some of the design themes developed during the 1958 Thunderbird program but were not used at that time. Iacoccas vision and the work of all the designers and engineers as a team resulted in the legend that is the Mustang.

Please stop insulting me by assuming I know nothing about car design and all the processes and procedures involved in design and manufacturing. I have been studying car design and history since before you were born.

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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TampaBear67
I Would Have HATED To Have Been Around When Ford Introduced the 79's or the Mustang II's Listening To The Haters ***** About Them!
The Mustang II gave all of us good reason to *****.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 01:58 AM
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Not to go way off-topic here, but what is Canadian design anyway?
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