Mercury ever closer to getting the axe
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Mercury ever closer to getting the axe
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For once the rumour mill is on to something IMO. It seems pretty obvious that mercury is going out with a whimper, and you can thank Mulally for it since the only other two folks in a likely position to make such a call are, by all accounts, opposed to the idea.
The worst part of all of this is that the above primarily shows two things. Mulally has absolutely no imagination and little ability to recognize opportunity in general. Long term this guy could be more harmful than Nasser.
The worst part of all of this is that the above primarily shows two things. Mulally has absolutely no imagination and little ability to recognize opportunity in general. Long term this guy could be more harmful than Nasser.
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Yeah, Mercury just offers tons of enthusiast potential....
Only a fraction of a percent of current buyers could give a **** about a new Cougar, axing just one of Ford's two badge clone divisions (let's not forget about Lincoln) is far from a bad idea.
Only a fraction of a percent of current buyers could give a **** about a new Cougar, axing just one of Ford's two badge clone divisions (let's not forget about Lincoln) is far from a bad idea.
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For once the rumour mill is on to something IMO. It seems pretty obvious that mercury is going out with a whimper, and you can thank Mulally for it since the only other two folks in a likely position to make such a call are, by all accounts, opposed to the idea.
The worst part of all of this is that the above primarily shows two things. Mulally has absolutely no imagination and little ability to recognize opportunity in general. Long term this guy could be more harmful than Nasser.
The worst part of all of this is that the above primarily shows two things. Mulally has absolutely no imagination and little ability to recognize opportunity in general. Long term this guy could be more harmful than Nasser.
Secondly, exactly what were Fields and Bill Ford cooking up for merc before Mulally clocked in? I like both those guys, and many of their calls. But come on, we had rumors of one CUV/wagon based off the Freestyle, and a whole bunch of people begging for a new Cougar but no movement. Wow, great plan there. Merc "enthusiasts" and "loyalists" don't want a wagon, they want something that gets them excited. Ford's establishment might be opposed to closing Merc, but they sure weren't doing anything to prevent that from becoming the obvious choice.
As for Merc's future, the obvious choice is shuttering Merc. But I wouldn't count it out for good just yet. Mulally's conscious of brand and nameplate value, witness the Taurus. He's focusing their very limited resources on repairing the Ford brand itself, becuase as it goes so goes FMC. But I could easily see him re-launching Merc in a different segment after they've gotten the money flowing the right way again.
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Ok, first off the only way to be more harmful than Nasser is to climb on top Ford world HQ with a sniper rifle and start picking off drivers.
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Everyone said before Mullaly showed up that Ford needed to shrink, now that he's actually getting it done he's being hammered for it. Too bad, too late, learn to live with it.
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Secondly, exactly what were Fields and Bill Ford cooking up for merc before Mulally clocked in? I like both those guys, and many of their calls. But come on, we had rumors of one CUV/wagon based off the Freestyle, and a whole bunch of people begging for a new Cougar but no movement. Wow, great plan there. Merc "enthusiasts" and "loyalists" don't want a wagon, they want something that gets them excited. Ford's establishment might be opposed to closing Merc, but they sure weren't doing anything to prevent that from becoming the obvious choice.
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Quite understandable as Mercury really has been neither fish nor fowl for the past two decades at least, offering little more than slightly tarted up Fords which offers scant justification for the existance of a whole division and dealer network.
I really thought Mercury ought to be (have been) the purveyor of more upscale and sophisticated European Ford and perhaps Australian models to appeal to the yuppie hords and compete againt the mid-range Audis, BMWs, Volvos (at the risk of cannibalism), Saab and VW. Mercury at times seemed to toy with that concept a bit, but only haphazardly and thus, without any real success. I guess the dealerships couldn't figure out how to sell anything without crushed velour, opera windows and vinyl roofs.
I really thought Mercury ought to be (have been) the purveyor of more upscale and sophisticated European Ford and perhaps Australian models to appeal to the yuppie hords and compete againt the mid-range Audis, BMWs, Volvos (at the risk of cannibalism), Saab and VW. Mercury at times seemed to toy with that concept a bit, but only haphazardly and thus, without any real success. I guess the dealerships couldn't figure out how to sell anything without crushed velour, opera windows and vinyl roofs.
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Ford has limited resources, the cost of revamping Linc, Merc, Ford, etc all at the same time could kill the company before the new models produced by that revamping could savef it. Sure, in a perfect world we'd want them to try it but in reality they can't, there's too little time, too little money, too few chances left. So they're fixing the core Ford brand first, they're trying to help Linc as much as they can, and they're shopping PAG around for investors to share take their burden off. There's no room left for Merc in there. They might grandfather it along until the money is there to fix it, or they might kill it and think about re-launching later.
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Mercury's last breath was when they did nothing with the Marauder five years ago. What an opportunity was wasted there. Now with the Mark LT going by by also. Look for two years out, and maybe they can figure a way to bring the Aussie Falcon up here to save it. Heck even the popular Mondeau is on the chopping block. Both of Ford's gobal guys are battling for mere survival, and they both are going in different directions.
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The problem here is simple. Product product product. If you can't produce unique, attractive products for the Mercury showrooms, you may as well shut them. The way it sits, it just drives cost. Cost from all angles. Since the company isn't in good enough condition to field a group of separate products for Mercury, they should cut it lose. Now, if you wanted to put the "Mercury" name on a couple products in the FORD dealerships, then do that. Maybe the Montego and perhaps a nicely done Cougar (using S197 chassis) would work but to just emulate every Ford product in separate showrooms around the country...na...its nothing but cost.
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Now, if you wanted to put the "Mercury" name on a couple products in the FORD dealerships, then do that. Maybe the Montego and perhaps a nicely done Cougar (using S197 chassis) would work but to just emulate every Ford product in separate showrooms around the country...na...its nothing but cost.
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To be fair there is one other way in which Mercury was we know it could be considered a money loser. If there is a way in which the Mercury brand could be better used then it is a loser wether it technically brings in profit or not. And since I think there are better applications for Mercury then in this instance I agree...Mercury is a money loser.
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Since the company isn't in good enough condition to field a group of separate products for Mercury, they should cut it lose.
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Let's face it, Mercury cannot survive as little more than Fords with different grilles and tail lamps. Unfortunately Mercury does not have the volume to profitably sell unique vehicles. Since Ford now has an outside CEO tasked with bringing Ford back to profitablilty, he has little choice other than to kill Mercury.
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Quite understandable as Mercury really has been neither fish nor fowl for the past two decades at least, offering little more than slightly tarted up Fords which offers scant justification for the existance of a whole division and dealer network.
I really thought Mercury ought to be (have been) the purveyor of more upscale and sophisticated European Ford and perhaps Australian models to appeal to the yuppie hords and compete againt the mid-range Audis, BMWs, Volvos (at the risk of cannibalism), Saab and VW. Mercury at times seemed to toy with that concept a bit, but only haphazardly and thus, without any real success. I guess the dealerships couldn't figure out how to sell anything without crushed velour, opera windows and vinyl roofs.
I really thought Mercury ought to be (have been) the purveyor of more upscale and sophisticated European Ford and perhaps Australian models to appeal to the yuppie hords and compete againt the mid-range Audis, BMWs, Volvos (at the risk of cannibalism), Saab and VW. Mercury at times seemed to toy with that concept a bit, but only haphazardly and thus, without any real success. I guess the dealerships couldn't figure out how to sell anything without crushed velour, opera windows and vinyl roofs.
Oh well, to little to late.
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Let's face it, Mercury cannot survive as little more than Fords with different grilles and tail lamps. Unfortunately Mercury does not have the volume to profitably sell unique vehicles. Since Ford now has an outside CEO tasked with bringing Ford back to profitablilty, he has little choice other than to kill Mercury.
In the case of Mercury increased volume can only be expected with increased uniqueness. And Mercury has plenty of potential, Ford's CEO has simply chosen to go another path.
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The Mercury brand has been damaged so severely I do not believe the public would pay a premium for more unique Mercuries. 1960 was the last year that Mercuries were distinctly different from Fords. Ford has tried unique Mercury vehicles in the past unsuccessfully with the Merkur.
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C'mon guys, time to jettison the flotsam for the company's own good.
Lemmie put it another way: Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Lincoln Zephyr (excuse me, MKZ). Quickly now, point out the salient differences.
See what I'm saying? Fact is, there is no long term plan for Mercury to give it its own unique identity. Let's pray Ford can do better with Lincoln, cause right now, building a car that can compete with the likes of the new Cadillac CTS is nothing more than a pipe dream for Ford's premiere brand, and if they don't get it together soon, they may exit stage left right behind Mercury.
Lemmie put it another way: Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Lincoln Zephyr (excuse me, MKZ). Quickly now, point out the salient differences.
See what I'm saying? Fact is, there is no long term plan for Mercury to give it its own unique identity. Let's pray Ford can do better with Lincoln, cause right now, building a car that can compete with the likes of the new Cadillac CTS is nothing more than a pipe dream for Ford's premiere brand, and if they don't get it together soon, they may exit stage left right behind Mercury.
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