USMC xI2aMpAnTx

So I have a used 6 Gauge cluster that has the same mileage on it as my own 4 gauge cluster and I also have the switch to control the message center. The problem is, the dealer is telling me that if I put the used cluster in I will lock my car's security system out due to the codes for my keys not being on there. He also says there is no way to download the build onto the new cluster. Many people have told me this is possible but the dealer seems to know nothing. Can anybody who has DONE THIS BEFORE please clarify.

-Lance Corporal Nugent

Torch_Vert

The codes for the antitheft key system (PATS) is in the PCM on the '05-'09 cars, hence changing the cluster doesn't affect it at all. On the newer cars ('10+) it's in the cluster.

And somebody at a dealership knowing nothing? Say it ain't so!

SilverHorse-----Racing

That may be true, but when we tried this very swap some time ago in our 2005, the car would not start with the 6 gauge cluster installed, and the car did have PATS. I'm not sure what the issue was, and it was too close to SEMA to worry, so we just went back the original, but there is something going on that will trip you up. I thought this was covered in the mycolor swap thread though?

USMC xI2aMpAnTx

So the dealer A) doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, or B) is just trying to get the $105 he quoted me for?

What exactly do they need to do to get my build info on there as far as features, anybody know for sure what this is called, because the dealer isn't helping...

05YellowGT

My car is an 05 and as I said in a previous post I was able to just plug mine in and everything worked. But since I didn't have the TPMS I got the warning and took it to a dealer to have the cluster info swapped to get rid of the warning. I too had heard somewhere about the security system , I don't remember where , but when I talked to Steve at Tousley ford where I bought the cluster he said it wasn't true. I got the GT500 cluster though so I don't know if there is a difference between it and the standard 6 gauge cluster. I called two local dealers to get a price and one said 2 hours labor and the other said one , so of course I took it to there. All they have to do is plug into the obd port and down load your cluster info and then install the new cluster , takes about 5 minutes , and then upload the info into the new cluster. As I said that only needs to be done if you're getting warnings , have you just plugged it in to see ? If you cluster is from a car that had the same options you probably shouldn't. Here's a pdf for the GT500 cluster that may answer some of you're questions. On the first page it talks about installing a new cluster under Principles of Operation , which is what's being done ...

dmhines

Swap the cluster and see if the car starts ... if not put the original back in.

I swapped clusters in my 2006 without a problem - no PATS issue.

In my 2010 I had to have the dealer reset the PATS.

USMC xI2aMpAnTx

Ok so that's probably all I need to do. What is that process called so I can tell this idiot at the dealer who says it's impossible?

05YellowGT

The information is in pdf file in my post above , open it up and it's on the first page under "Principles of Operation" ...

USMC xI2aMpAnTx

I showed a dealer this thread and he quoted me $178, much higher than the previous dealer's $145 and still MUCH more than I'm willing to pay to make my TPMS warning go away permanently...

data174

All that your ford dealer has to do is download the asbuilt data for your vehicle. This will place the cluster back to factory specification.

05YellowGT

Like I said , I called two dealers and one wanted 2 hours labor and the other 1 hour , which for the dealer I went too was I think $110 per hour. Who ever does it should only charge you an hour labor , the actual time to do it is about 10 minutes. It's the scan tool you need , so if you have a tuner shop near you with one you can probably get it done cheaper ...

USMC xI2aMpAnTx

Would I be able to do anything with an SCT SF3/X3 Tuner with custom tunes from BamaTunes?

Is that TPMS warning something that can just be ignored until I go home on leave in a few months before I go to Afghanistan and have my uncle do it for free?

data174

The SCT tuner is only for flash tunes. Ford uses the IDS/VCM system to program the vehicles. It is a very expensive system.

05YellowGT

Yes I drove mine for about a week with the warning , you can hit the reset button and it will go away till the next time you start the car ...

When I said a local tuner , I meant a shop that might have the ford scan tool , not one of our hand held tuners ...

USMC xI2aMpAnTx

Ok I'll do that for a while for sure.

Is it a tool that a car mechanic would have or a Ford specific tool?

USMC xI2aMpAnTx

Well it worked just like you all said it would, but I'm getting the TPMS warning. Unless I can find a way to get rid of it for $50 or less, I'm going to just deal with it. Is there anyway to just add a TPMS system or is it even worth it?

60CrewDawg69

I have a 2010 GT and like a retard i pulled out my needles changeing a faceplate and now cant get them acurate again. I want the 6 gauge cluster anyway though just dont know where to purchase and how to make it work.

USMC xI2aMpAnTx

There's a certain value at which they go on so they can be calibrated by the car.

05YellowGT

Yes you can add it to your car , here's a couple of links to the parts and programming tool ...

http://www.partscheap.com/Mustang-TPMS-p/tpm-00-bd.htm

http://www.steeda.com/store/ford-tir...ming-tool.html

05YellowGT

I got mine from Steve at Tousley Ford , he has the best prices ...

http://www.tousleyford.com/