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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by boomerman
They look like cheap "ricer" mirrors that you would buy off of Ebay.
All they need is the "carbon fiber" finish on them to give them the final ricer touch.
I hate when people dont even know how to use the word "rice." How on earth are these rice? You may not like the way they look but that does not make them rice. Rice is putting a huge wing on the back of a front wheel drive car, or tagging your car with tons of stickers for companies that both did not sponsor you nor do you have any of their products on your car, or underglow, or something to that nature. Its basically being a poser by putting stuff on your car as if it were a suped out racer or something and non of it is functional or needed on that vehicle. Further insult to injury also may or may not be added by the fact that said useless modifications are also hideous. But simple looks does not make something rice. And either way how can a mirror be rice? It's functional, more aerodynamic, in some opinions makes the car look better and weighs less. Its not something off a BMW like many other ricer stangs have, it is a throw back to Mustang heritage; but I guess if you knew anything about Mustangs or cars for that matter you wouldve already known that.
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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The mirrors look nice but they are too expensive.... I think I'll buy a tuner first.
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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you can now get them for 15% off which makes them only 335.75, if my math is right
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rrobello
I hate when people dont even know how to use the word "rice." How on earth are these rice? You may not like the way they look but that does not make them rice. Rice is putting a huge wing on the back of a front wheel drive car, or tagging your car with tons of stickers for companies that both did not sponsor you nor do you have any of their products on your car, or underglow, or something to that nature. Its basically being a poser by putting stuff on your car as if it were a suped out racer or something and non of it is functional or needed on that vehicle. Further insult to injury also may or may not be added by the fact that said useless modifications are also hideous. But simple looks does not make something rice. And either way how can a mirror be rice? It's functional, more aerodynamic, in some opinions makes the car look better and weighs less. Its not something off a BMW like many other ricer stangs have, it is a throw back to Mustang heritage; but I guess if you knew anything about Mustangs or cars for that matter you wouldve already known that.
Here is a perfect example how a mirror can be rice:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MITS-...QQcmdZViewItem

Just because it is a " throwback" does not always mean it looks right.
Somethings should never be brought back such as the AMC Pacer or Ford Pinto for that matter.
I do know the history of Mustangs and I know what they are trying to accomplish with the look of the mirror but sorry to hurt your feelings it still looks like rice to me.
Simple looks can look like Rice such as a fart can exhaust, that is a simple thing to do but it still looks like rice.
Sorry if I offended you and as long as you like them that is what is important.
To each his own.
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by boomerman
Here is a perfect example how a mirror can be rice:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MITS-...QQcmdZViewItem

Just because it is a " throwback" does not always mean it looks right.
Somethings should never be brought back such as the AMC Pacer or Ford Pinto for that matter.
I do know the history of Mustangs and I know what they are trying to accomplish with the look of the mirror but sorry to hurt your feelings it still looks like rice to me.
Simple looks can look like Rice such as a fart can exhaust, that is a simple thing to do but it still looks like rice.
Sorry if I offended you and as long as you like them that is what is important.
To each his own.
Im not offended. and it is perfectly fine that you dont like them. what I dont like is that people throw the word rice around and dont even know what it means. Simply because you dont like the looks of something doesnt make it rice because everyone will have their own opinions and tastes. The link you provided while I think the mirrors are ugly as well, I dont see how they can be called rice. They serve a purpose and thats to reflect whats behind and to the side of the car, they are made out of carbon fiber to save weight; now to spend the money and throw them on a beater Hyundai or Pinto or some other slow piece of crap that isnt moddified or ever raced then yeah it is pretty much a waste since saving weight doesnt matter in that case and thus can be called rice. A fart can exhaust isnt rice simply because it looks retarded, its rice because it serves no purpose. It sounds stupid (actually makes the car sound worse), most are accompanied by 3" or larger piping which on a NA car is not only pointless but hurts performance, and those dumb things weigh a ton.

Am I making sense as to what I am trying to say? Its fine you dont like them, not everyone will.
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 09:19 PM
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Agent47 Mirrors = Rice?

Riiighhttt! Maybe I missed the explination, or it somehow got lost in the shuffle...But I would like to hear the reasoning behind the statement.
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 09:24 PM
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they are not rice, they are just too expensive for what they are. competition might fix that prob tho.
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 09:27 PM
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I agree they are expensive, but that in it of itself does not make something Rice...And for the record, my comment was directed towards Boomer.
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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I think those look pretty 'right' in my eye...these kinda look like the ones on my '69-
BUT: 400 bucks is way steep in my opinion, (I had to pay 200 for one mirror for a car before- but it was a hard to find NOS passenger side unit for my 65 LTD a couple years ago). Would have a much harder time doing that for a new production piece - AND they shoulda used a UV stable plastic in my opinion- especially if expecting top dollar.
If they'd drop the price on these into the 200-ish region, I think they would sell a ton of them- one common thing ive heard from other 05+ owners around here was the stock mirrors were a bit 'chunky', especially on lighter colored cars, and it seems lots of folks are painting them. I'm content with mine, but gotta admit the housings are bigger than some truck mirrors...
wonder how much drag (if any) these might save? wonder if there could actually be some slight topend benefits there...
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by boomerman
Here is a perfect example how a mirror can be rice:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MITS-...QQcmdZViewItem

Just because it is a " throwback" does not always mean it looks right.
Somethings should never be brought back such as the AMC Pacer or Ford Pinto for that matter.
I do know the history of Mustangs and I know what they are trying to accomplish with the look of the mirror but sorry to hurt your feelings it still looks like rice to me.
Simple looks can look like Rice such as a fart can exhaust, that is a simple thing to do but it still looks like rice.
Sorry if I offended you and as long as you like them that is what is important.
To each his own.
If I bought those mirrors off e-bay would I have a V-tech Mustang?
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ford4v429
I think those look pretty 'right' in my eye...these kinda look like the ones on my '69-
BUT: 400 bucks is way steep in my opinion, (I had to pay 200 for one mirror for a car before- but it was a hard to find NOS passenger side unit for my 65 LTD a couple years ago). Would have a much harder time doing that for a new production piece - AND they shoulda used a UV stable plastic in my opinion- especially if expecting top dollar.
If they'd drop the price on these into the 200-ish region, I think they would sell a ton of them- one common thing ive heard from other 05+ owners around here was the stock mirrors were a bit 'chunky', especially on lighter colored cars, and it seems lots of folks are painting them. I'm content with mine, but gotta admit the housings are bigger than some truck mirrors...
wonder how much drag (if any) these might save? wonder if there could actually be some slight topend benefits there...
Is there anyone that makes any urethane products that are UV safe? and why would you leave it just black urethane anyways? I wouldnt do it to a bumper and I wont do it to the mirrors.

as for cost, save 15% now:
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showth...593#post839593

brings them down to 335.75 I think
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Old Feb 10, 2007 | 07:12 AM
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Great write up -

I am not trying to hijack this thread, but does anyone remember who removed the side mirrors completely, and mounted retro style mirrors directly to the doors, just like the original Mustangs?

I have searched and searched with no luck...
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Old Feb 10, 2007 | 08:32 AM
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was it the showlenses guy? i remember it was a on a windveil blue car.
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Old Feb 10, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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Those mirrors look CLEAN, but $400 kinda pricy..
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Old Feb 10, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by official_style
was it the showlenses guy? i remember it was a on a windveil blue car.
Yes, now that you mention it, WB sounds right. Seems like he did something with the headlights too...
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Old Feb 10, 2007 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RGVBadBoy
Those mirrors look CLEAN, but $400 kinda pricy..
well if anyone were to get a set then nows the time, because not only are they 15% off right now but also because after the sell ends they will then be sold through retailers like Brothers Performance and one would think the price would get marked up even more so the retailers can make some money as well.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rrobello
well if anyone were to get a set then nows the time, because not only are they 15% off right now but also because after the sell ends they will then be sold through retailers like Brothers Performance and one would think the price would get marked up even more so the retailers can make some money as well.
I disagree, I think that once multiple vendors have this product It will drop in price due to the competition. Once an on-line vendor starts carrying on e-bay we'll see significant drops. I've seen this repeatedly in hobby supplies so it could very well happen here.

Personally I like these mirrors but the price is way too much for a urathane casting and a piece of glass. If these mirrors came complete with all the hardware and electrical then that would be a different story. I don't know if Agent 47 is the manufacturer of these mirrors or just an OEM vendor. If A47 is the manufacturer then I have the following observation. The cost of molds can be expensive but there are two views on recouping those costs depending on production capacity. You can either try to recoup your startup costs with 100 sales or with 1000+ sales. It appears that Agent 47 has selected the former option.

On the argument that they look rice I can only say that the rice generation of cars came about after the fuel crisis of 1974 and this mirror style preceeded that by 5 years. I liked this style of mirror so much that in the early 70's I retrofit them on both my '65 Mustang and '68 Camaro.

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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Centurion96
I disagree, I think that once multiple vendors have this product It will drop in price due to the competition. Once an on-line vendor starts carrying on e-bay we'll see significant drops. I've seen this repeatedly in hobby supplies so it could very well happen here.

Personally I like these mirrors but the price is way too much for a urathane casting and a piece of glass. If these mirrors came complete with all the hardware and electrical then that would be a different story. I don't know if Agent 47 is the manufacturer of these mirrors or just an OEM vendor. If A47 is the manufacturer then I have the following observation. The cost of molds can be expensive but there are two views on recouping those costs depending on production capacity. You can either try to recoup your startup costs with 100 sales or with 1000+ sales. It appears that Agent 47 has selected the former option.

On the argument that they look rice I can only say that the rice generation of cars came about after the fuel crisis of 1974 and this mirror style preceeded that by 5 years. I liked this style of mirror so much that in the early 70's I retrofit them on both my '65 Mustang and '68 Camaro.

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yeah I was wondering that myself if the prices might come down once they start selling through retailers, but I dont know if it would be by much if they do. These are rapid prototyped so the cost of such precision is pretty high, both Agent 47 and the retailers would have to make money, thus marking them up twice, so unless the retailers are buying a whole bunch of these to offset the costs of making them the prices wont be dropping very much I think. But even if they do I think that 300 would be the cheapest and a good price when you compare them to the cost of the stock plastic mirrors and you can pick them up now for almost that with the discount code, but I dont know we will just have to wait and see. Of course as time goes on everything always gets cheaper you just might have to wait until the next body style until you see any drastic changes in prices on any modifications, thats usually how it works with these cars.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by boomerman
Just because it is a " throwback" does not always mean it looks right.
Somethings should never be brought back such as the AMC Pacer or Ford Pinto for that matter.
I do know the history of Mustangs and I know what they are trying to accomplish with the look of the mirror but sorry to hurt your feelings it still looks like rice to me.
Simple looks can look like Rice such as a fart can exhaust, that is a simple thing to do but it still looks like rice.
Sorry if I offended you and as long as you like them that is what is important.
To each his own.
rrobello, aren't you being a little hard on the guy? I commented earlier that I didn't like the look of the mirrors and I got slammed as well. Sorry if some of us don't like that particular mod!

I for one was not insulting you, just commenting that it doesn't appear to be a mod I would be interested in, due to price, the amount of labor involved (should be a complete unit for what A47 is getting for these things IMO) and the plain simple fact that I just don't like that design!

IMHO I don't like a lot of the "retro" touches that people put on their cars. "T" handle shifters, the gauge that a member bolted directly to the hood of his car, certain tacky add-ons, etc. Why not just go completely "retro" and bring back leaf springs, bias ply tires, sealed beam headlights, vinyl seats, etc! My point is that it's not my intent to insult anyone, if you like what you have done, hey, it's your car!

However, if you put it out here for comment you may not always get compliments! I'd expect the same if I placed one of my mods out there seeking comment as well. Just don't get angry at those of us that prefer the stock shift handle, the stock mirrors, wheels, etc...

(again, not trying to start a flame war or insult you or your mods in any way, just stating my opinion that you were a bit harsh with us.)
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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rrobello, aren't you being a little hard on the guy? I commented earlier that I didn't like the look of the mirrors and I got slammed as well. Sorry if some of us don't like that particular mod!

I for one was not insulting you, just commenting that it doesn't appear to be a mod I would be interested in, due to price, the amount of labor involved (should be a complete unit for what A47 is getting for these things IMO) and the plain simple fact that I just don't like that design!

IMHO I don't like a lot of the "retro" touches that people put on their cars. "T" handle shifters, the gauge that a member bolted directly to the hood of his car, certain tacky add-ons, etc. Why not just go completely "retro" and bring back leaf springs, bias ply tires, sealed beam headlights, vinyl seats, etc! My point is that it's not my intent to insult anyone, if you like what you have done, hey, it's your car!

However, if you put it out here for comment you may not always get compliments! I'd expect the same if I placed one of my mods out there seeking comment as well. Just don't get angry at those of us that prefer the stock shift handle, the stock mirrors, wheels, etc...

(again, not trying to start a flame war or insult you or your mods in any way, just stating my opinion that you were a bit harsh with us.)
I wasnt coming down on him because he didnt like the mirrors, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, what I was responding to was his improper use of the term "rice"

and are you refering to this post of yours and my response?:
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Originally Posted by mrkabc
Great write up! Good pix! Glad to see you are happy!

Now the bad news...

Price:

I don't think they look different enough from stock to justify the cost, sorry... Think I'll have to pass on this one.


they look a lot different they are about half the size and a lot sleeker looking compared to the truck mirrors the car comes with"

Because if you are then I dont get where you think I was "slamming" you in my response. You said they dont look very different and I was simply pointing out that they are very different (no where close to the same in fact), I didnt attack you or come down on your opinion that you prefer the stock ones. Again to each their own. But if you interpreted my response as hostile then either you read too deeply into it or are too sensitive.
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