05-09 Exterior Modifications Making Your '05 Stand Out from the Crowd

bout ready for a ducktail, but first some questions

Old Apr 14, 2008 | 08:42 AM
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bout ready for a ducktail, but first some questions

I'm leaning more and more to the cdc with no 3rd brake light. but in my opinion its just a tad to small. I really like the sse gen 1 ducktail but it has the 3rd light cutout. How hard would it be to fill that hole in and paint?
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 08:53 AM
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Most of the comments I've gotten about the CDC tail is that it's what should have come on the car in the first place. Depends on how much else you're going to do to the ground effects and whatnot as to how subtle you want the tail to be. I personally hate the Cervinis C-series ducktail, the but Street Scenes one looks pretty good on many cars out there, never seen one that had the third hole filled though. Here's a couple of pics of the CDC if you want them for reference. These are right after I got it bone stock from the dealer with nothing but the CDC installed.




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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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Here's mine after me and my son put mine on. Liked it better without the 3rd brake light cutout.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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did u guys just 3m it on there or did u bolt it also?
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 06:31 PM
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You have to use bolts and drill holes. Here's mine.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 06:38 PM
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I talked to an SSE rep a couple of weeks ago and asked if they were ever gonna make one without the 3rd brake like hole, ala CDC. He answered NO and that it's actually illegal to do so and relocate the 3rd brake light (I make no claims on how accurate this is). But still bottom line it ain't gonna happen from SSE. If it did I'd be all over it like a cheap suit.

How much would it cost ?? I think the problem would be the material difference between the urethane and body filler. One is flexible and the other isn't. If you did it it'd be hard to say how good it would be... there isn't really anything for the body filler to stick to so if you slammed your trunk it could possibly just fall out of the filled hole. At least that's my impression.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 07:22 PM
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I talked to an SSE rep a couple of weeks ago and asked if they were ever gonna make one without the 3rd brake like hole, ala CDC. He answered NO and that it's actually illegal to do so and relocate the 3rd brake light


I would call on that.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 07:34 PM
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Wisconsin State Law (where I live) states that there must be (2) rear facing red lights, equal distant from the centerline of the vehicle for indication of braking. I have the CDC less the third brake light. I never had an issue, but I have a copy of the law in my glove box. Nobody really notices the difference and it isn't illegal in WI.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 07:35 PM
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It is not illegal to relocate the third brake light as long as the replacement is DOT approved. I've used this one for almost two years with no issues. Good thing because I permanently filled in the factory hole with steel and weld...
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GRAYPNY
I talked to an SSE rep a couple of weeks ago and asked if they were ever gonna make one without the 3rd brake like hole, ala CDC. He answered NO and that it's actually illegal to do so and relocate the 3rd brake light


I would call on that.
+1 on that.

I have the CDC ducktail and couldn't be happier with it. I liked the SSE one, but I wasn't a fan of the break light being cut out of the spoiler either. From what I could tell, the difference between the CDC, other than the light, is a matter of inches. Both look great. The thrid break light that CDC has looks really sharp too, and in my opion is where the third light should have been to begin with.

The CDC uses bolts and 3M tape. It is on there pretty sturdy, you just need to take your time to make sure it lines up right so it looks best.

One other question, you have a spoiler delete Mustang right?
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GRAYPNY
I talked to an SSE rep a couple of weeks ago and asked if they were ever gonna make one without the 3rd brake like hole, ala CDC. He answered NO and that it's actually illegal to do so and relocate the 3rd brake light


I would call on that.
Stillen is saying the same thing, so there has to be something to that.

However, it is probably more of a "cost-prohibative" issue, not so much a "purely illegal" issue.

Foose's after all, were sold sans trunk light (for the coupe).
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 09:52 PM
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Stillen is saying the same thing, so there has to be something to that.

They are also a SSE dealer so they probably got that info from them. When I ordered my CDC spoiler back in 05 I checked with the C.H.P. to see what the law was regarding the 3rd brakelight. I was told by them that if your vehicle came with a 3rd brakelight it was illegal to remove it. I asked specially about relocating it and they said that wasn't an issue. I was hoping that I could just not have a 3rd brakelight but that isn't the case.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 10:52 PM
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Here are a few shots from my car when I took it home after work the 1st time back in early 2006. I didn't really have a problem with the 3rd brake light, and I really liked how much higher this spoiler was, and the curve of the ducktail seemed a bit more agressive to me, compared to the CDC. I get so many compliments at car shows, and like Mackitraz mentioned, the people around here say the same thing, about how this spoiler should have been standard. Whichever one you pick, you won't go wrong.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 11:34 PM
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There is a flexible plastic material the shop can use to fill the hole of the spoiler. I would cut a plate the size of the brake light and put it in place. Once done have the shop fill the hole of the SS ducktail. I've seen a few Cervini ducktails filled correctly and the owners had no issues. The shop will probably use a plastic welder of some sort amd wire mesh to fill the hole. It is doable but probably expensive. Most bigger shops have a plastic welder.
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 12:05 AM
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Like I said, I'm not defending his comment. We tried to argue with him using CDC and the relocation kit as an example but he wasn't listening so I wasn't gonna waste my time, ya know ?

Originally Posted by Deric
There is a flexible plastic material the shop can use to fill the hole of the spoiler. I would cut a plate the size of the brake light and put it in place. Once done have the shop fill the hole of the SS ducktail. I've seen a few Cervini ducktails filled correctly and the owners had no issues. The shop will probably use a plastic welder of some sort amd wire mesh to fill the hole. It is doable but probably expensive. Most bigger shops have a plastic welder.
I know enough body work howto to really screw the pooch. So I wouldn't use my knowledge to base a decision on if it can or can't be filled. My guess was just that, a guess.

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Here are a few shots from my car when I took it home after work the 1st time back in early 2006. I didn't really have a problem with the 3rd brake light, and I really liked how much higher this spoiler was, and the curve of the ducktail seemed a bit more agressive to me, compared to the CDC. I get so many compliments at car shows, and like Mackitraz mentioned, the people around here say the same thing, about how this spoiler should have been standard. Whichever one you pick, you won't go wrong.
If there is one thing the SSE does have it's more aggresive than the CDC, the angle and height really works, for me. Because of that alone I'm not too worried about the 3rd brake light hole.

But hey, which ever you choose CDC or SSE they are both great, pluses and minuses to each. If we all drove around in the exact same car it'd get boring real quick. But whatever you decide to do, post pics I can't wait to see another ducktailed car completed

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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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I wasn't trying to shoot the messager Brian. Heck if the SSE ducktail had been available when I got my car back in 05 I probably would have gone with it 3rd brakelight hole or not. I think it's more aggressive looking than the CDC but on the other hand I have never been sorry that I got the CDC. Either direction will take down the right path.
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 10:10 PM
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naw, it's cool Rich. I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't falling for the BS. The CDC is a great ducktail and I was this '' close to getting one, but ended up getting a better deal with the SSE from Page's predecessor at Stillen. Heck I still have the 3rd brake light that I bought and never installed (selling it tomorrow, finally).
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by GRAYPNY
Stillen is saying the same thing, so there has to be something to that.

They are also a SSE dealer so they probably got that info from them. When I ordered my CDC spoiler back in 05 I checked with the C.H.P. to see what the law was regarding the 3rd brakelight. I was told by them that if your vehicle came with a 3rd brakelight it was illegal to remove it. I asked specially about relocating it and they said that wasn't an issue. I was hoping that I could just not have a 3rd brakelight but that isn't the case.
Hey there,

Actually, even our own duck tail (KA9410 - pictured below) has the 3rd brake light - for that specific reason.



Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Thanks

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