Route 66

So were hearing that the GT 500 will have close to 500 hp. If that's the case, then why will it only hit 0-60 in mid 4's. Don't get me wrong, I think that's extreamly quick. But a regular GT is hitting 0-60 in 4.9 seconds. For having 200 more hp, you would think we'd see better numbers. What are you thoughts. Is it worth $15,000 more plus dealer markups to hit only 4/10's of a second more?

Boomer

Its the overall package...
And the GT500 will be heavier....

4.5 0-60
and a low 12 sec quarter mile

Can't have it all, but those are still VERY quick respectable numbers.

You can bank it won't have 200hp up on the GT though...

450-475 i'm sure is what it will be rated

iceman241

Ok i believe the Shelby will have lower numbers then low 12s in the quarter cause that magazine i think its called MMFF is that what its called said they got a 04 cobra to run around 12.4 in the quarter trust me the new SHelby is for sure running high 11s everyone didnt believe me when i said the new Z06 was going to keep up with the 150,000 dollar Ford GT and a magazine came out that had the new viper coupe and the ford gt and the new z06 go head to head and they said the new z06 is just as fast but not quit and i told everyone the ford GT wouldnt be able to leave the z06 behind by that much and i was right but everyone laughed at me and i promise you i will be right about this. My prediction is the Shelby wont be to far off from the new Z06 of course the zo6 will beat it but not by much. And i speculate the shelby will have more like 480 hp how do i get that number well the cobra R had a 5.4liter engine and made 385hp and a super charger makes 100 so that right there puts it at 485.

iceman241

And how do speculate the GT500 will only do 0-60 in 4.5 there are 04 cobras doing that please get your facts straight i can promise you the GT500 will do lower then 4.5 what are you smoking. And i know people will come on here and tell me to use periods sorry i dont use them but i promise you i do know what im talking about.

Route 66

Mid 4's are what all the articles have been saying. Most people that read have probably see that. And my friend, what do you think the Cobra can do the 0-60 in? As far as the Z06. I agree with most of the stuff you said until you said the Cobra will be close to it in numbers. That I will disagree with. The Z is roughly 900lbs less. It's RHWP dyno #'s are coming out around 540 HP. That car will eat the Cobra. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. How can you compare the two. If I had the $$$, that would be my choice of cars.

Boomer

Figuring there has to be minute performance increases over time, you can't unleash the beast all at once.

Overall it will be better than the old terminators.
It will outhandle, out accelerate it stock for stock....this we know.

Until the FINAL numbers come out, we won't know.
Every piece of literature has stated 450+hp
It won't be 500.
the final rating will probably between 460-475 (guess lower)

The engine itself will have more displacement so the potential is way better.

MM&FF is NOT a 'normal driver'
The NORM for the terminator is in the 12.5-12.8 area.
The GT500 I'm guessing will be low 12s (12.1-12.3).... with BPU into the 11s

We still don't know the final numbers...so to speculate is useless....

Route 66

Wouldn't this make you, speculating?

Boomer

See whats in red?

Hollywood_North GT

Given that '04 Cobras could hit 60 in 4.6 seconds, I think those magazine estimates are conservative. Yeah, the weight is up a bit - but so are both the horsepower and torque. I wouldn't be surprised if the Shelby ends up being a 4.2 second car - fast enough to run in the straightaway with a regular Corvette C6. Especially once the engine has been broken in.

WERKED 66

dont forget guys that after you reach are certain e.t in the 1/4 i forget what the nubers are but it get`s very expensive to get the e.t lower by 1/10.........

Knight

Isn't the Gt500 also going to be 200 lbs heavier then the 03-04

I'm really upset with ford for allowing the mustang to become this heavy pig...

Its an extremely capable car but wieght effects everything

MilStang

The chassis is also a much stiffer and advanced design. Would that not make it more efficient at transferring that power to the wheels to counteract some of that additional weight?

mustang_sallad

weight increases traction! hehe... so ya, weigth increases traction, but mass also increases the force required to accelerate something, whether in a straight line or turning. So I remember reading some motor trend reviewer being surprised at some heavier car having a similar skidpad number to a lighter car. Ever since, i've been wondering if the two results of increased mass actually cancel eachother out in a skidpad test. I know ideally, like if you're in physics class and your representing this car as a block being spun around on a plate faster and faster until it spins off, increasing the mass shouldn't change the max speed you can get without slipping off. But i have a feeling there could be other factors with a car.
As for acceleration, I know its a bit more complicated with slipping and everything. But basically, with added weight, you should be able to apply a higher force at the wheels without them slipping. And of course, with added mass, you'll require that higher force anyways since F=ma, so ya, they should cancel out, but then you get all that complicated stuff where spinning wheels are actually a good thing....
so i dunno
just a random thought.
In practice, its pretty obvious that the lighter the car, the quicker the car. Except top speed doesn't have anything to do with the mass. You could have a hippo in your car, and as long as he's completely inside the car and isn't affecting the aerodynamics, it should still have the same top speed, it just might take a couple days to get up there.

MilStang

Agreed Jeff, I was just referring to the more advanced chassis getting the power to the road with less wheel hop, spinning, etc.

Agreed that the porker will be fine top speed wise unless you but a ricer wing and some vinyl stickers to create drag.

Hollywood_North GT

The added weight's a penalty, for sure. But I guess we're all wondering if the new, stiffer, more advanced chassis will help offset that somewhat.

Either way, it'll definitely be a more solid car than the last Cobra.

And I still think it will hit 60 in the low 4 second range. It's GOT to be faster than the last generation Cobra (0-60 = 4.6 seconds)...otherwise where's the progress?

bob

You can only bend sheetmetal so many ways to stiffen it up before you start start having to pack it on to increase rigidity (also add that the car is dimensionally bigger.

The SN95 is a flexi-flopper (and the old Fox cars even more so), but more to the point, it gets really expensive to reduce weight when you start eyeballing other materials.

Ideally I would have liked to seen a mustang with a steel unit body, aluminum fenders, doors and roof panels. Aluminum front cross-member (as well as transmission cross-member, all alumium suspension (along with magensium differential complete with aluminum axle tubes as well as aluminum spindels for the front), composite brakes. Along with thinner glass and alumimum framed seats as well as magnesium wheels and a magnesium cased transmission. Including a titanium exhaust system.

However you'd probably have to cross-shop an Aston Martin price wise. So its a give and take. Sure the new car is heavier, but its more competent and can handle a greater range of power while still being affordable.

FiaCobra

I see "Iceman" is back posting his

Anywho, i could care less if this car weighed 6000lbs....as long as it was still able to do the 1/4 in low 12's/high 11's.

Fordracing200

If ford would just run a some cage through all the pillars instead of all this extra weight 'stiffening' crap we'd all be happier.

Rebel73

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