Yeah... People say "put the Procharger in and you'll have a real sleeper"... to which I reply "you've never hear a procharger have you?" LOL!

Well if you can make it to Michigan, Lidio can hook you up with a Vortech at a very reasonable price... I discuss it in another thread:

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=39976

It was all I could do the other day not to whip Mr. Visa out on the spot! LOL!

 

I was just checking out the rest of the Zex catalog... Here's the page for Jets:

http://www.zex.com/Catalog/ZEX101-05/800-1011_PG22.jpg

 

Cool, thanks!

 

I dont see an intercooler being necessary for 7psi of boost. What about water injection? It cost less than an intercooler, its compact, and it reduces the inlet air temp by as much as 100 degrees.

Im not looking for the most hp possible, Im looking for a modest increase with maximum longevity. Im keeping this car for a long time and I dont want to kill the engine prematurely.

 

I would like to clarify that EE 's kit doesn't use the Ford based M90 from the Thunderbird but rather a BRAND NEW eaton from Magnuson Products. YES there is a huge difference in case design and the parts in the EE kit are cast peices that are CAD designed and made for the upmost quality. Not welded together stuff that you have to watch where you touch because some loose slag may cut your fingers.

What it all comes down to is if you have the KNOWLEDGE and Ability to fabricate, install, and tune your own kit then you may save $100 but loose six months of driving. Over bolting on a kit in less then a day and driving away happy.

The NEW Drive-By-Wire settings don't allow you to simply bolt on a S/C and drive away with some different MAF's or injectors. The new Throttle settings MUST be adjusted in the PCM or else it will goto Fail Safe mode instantly. So just remember to add $600-$1000 on custom tuning( including a tuning device) for your homemade kits.

Later Doug.

 

If everything came down to the formula Dollars/HP, we'd all probably be driving 1800lb stripped down ricers being fed on abusive levels of nitrous...

It's not that simple really. There are other things to consider. Good engineering, completeness, ease of install, reliability, tech support. These things can and do cost money.

I don't think the EE kit is out of the ballpark compared to what else is out there. It's actually the one on the market so far I'm most likely to go with. These guys have been working with the 4.0 sucessfully for a while. That's definitely worth something to me.

The one thing that concerns me is if one of Doug's tunes comes with a guaranteed ticket, what do you get with one of his tunes AND a supercharger

 

Hopefully a get out of jail free card..

 

Yes I stopped by your Ranger forum Doug904.. I never knew you had such intamate knowledge with the 4.0's... I was shocked to see you moderating a 4.0 forum.. LOL!! Thats pretty sweet..

Like I said, 1,001 times.. I do like this kit, but felt a need to complain somewhat... But I'll most likley go with this one..


Doug904 in action

http://www.rangerpowersports.com/forum/index.php?

 

Thanks Doug for the info.
Ok found this ( MP90 vs Eaton M90)little info. For the guys looking for the upgrade path for an intercooler is it poss to custom intergrade one into the system like Lido did on the Marauder eaton (John ?)


The inlet on the new MP90 is diff different looks bigger (Delta Temp improved) than thel Eaton M90 as you can see below. (Could't convert the the old M90 pic to jpeg for some reason to upload for you but there is a noticable diff vs the M90)












4th Generation(with Internal Bypass Valve) · MP45 · MP62 · MP90 · MP112 5th Generation(with Internal Bypass Valve) · Radix

The Eaton/Magnuson 4th & 5th Generation superchargers are the next step in positive displacement supercharger design. Eaton superchargers have become the world standard due to their efficiency and durability, and are virtually the only original equipment superchargers in use today. The rear inlet, front discharge design of the Eaton supercharger set new standards compared to the venerable "Roots" designs, and now, the hybrid Eaton / Magnuson 4th & 5th Generation designs have raised the bar again.The MP series 4th and Radix series 5th Generation superchargers are the result of hundreds of hours of flow bench research and test stand evaluation added to years of experience manufacturing in excess of 1,000,000 superchargers. This research has resulted in inlet and outlet configurations that bring the volumetric efficiency into the mid 90% range. Adiabatic efficiency, delta temperature, and power requirements have also been dramatically improved.The MP series 4th and Radix 5th Generation superchargers feature a built in bypass assembly that greatly facilitates packaging for aftermarket supercharger systems. This bypass virtually eliminates parasitic power loss during part throttle operations

 

Add 30-40+hp more to the MP90 Supercharger on the 4.0 at 6psi & no intercooler

Ok thinking out loud install the MP90 and for an upgrade path down the road lets add another 30-40+ HP without major, $$, pressuring the bottom end, without going to 9PSI, no intercooler, and without having to rebuild the bottom end.


I would think this should do it.

1. Custom cams made up say 530 lift, duration to be determined as long as there is no valve to piston clearance problems.
2. Long tube headers <----a must with dual 2.5 exhaust/free flow muffs.
3. Nice 4:10's to keep everything flowing nice, I prefer 4;10’s but because of the FI 373's I think would diff be the way to go for this system on the street.

I am not interested in building the bottom end per my research because of the design of this engine and putting that kind of money in this 4.0, but the above is a nice upgrade path.

 

Long tube headers would be great, but I can't find them for the V6!!! AAAAGH!

 

Here you go Exception13

http://www.lmperformance.com/5660/73.html

 

Thanks, TJ! :worship:

They seem awfully cheap (price wise) for ceramic headers. The JBAs are about 650 for ceramic shorties. Any ideas?

 

WOW!! This is starting to get pretty serious.. Looks like this is going to be the commonly excepted S/C for the gang!!

Atleast this way we can all help each other out!

 

Connects to the MAC Prochamber.

 

They are not SS and IMO JBA's are overpriced







I haven’t really researched LT’s much yet because I am not at that point yet. But when buying long tubes what you are paying for is fitment, quality, fit and finish. All LT's dyno within the same net gain. Swap from one brand to another for the sole purpose of gains and you'll be disappointed.

These headers are not SS but they are coated and if I was ready at this price it would be these LT's no doubt.

 

TJ,

Is that the only link you have to them, when I click on the link it times out. Thanks.

EDITED: Nevermind, I just did a dhcp refresh and it resolves properly now. But please let me know your thoughts on the quality of the MACs.

 

Link's good, works for me.

 

I went to the main site and browsed to them. I'm not keen on the JBA's cause like TJ and others here, I think they are over priced. But I heard MAC's have fitment issues with thier headers....anyone know of any issues or use MAC headers before?

 

I know the MACs are LT. After all, I CAN read..

My point was that they are so cheap in comparison to JBA SS headers. I assumed, wrongly, I suppose, that LT would be more expensive. I didn't expect the MAC to be $650 like the JBAs, but only $350? Something this new (I didn't even know they had come up with LTs for the 05 yet) is usually a little pricey. But what do I know??!!??

I also expected that LTs would have a performance gain over SS headers. If not, than what IS the difference?