The Philosophy of Dual Exhaust...
1/26/06, 08:13 PM
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Ok... so I started out this morning positive I was going to bite the bullet and switch over to a dual exhuast setup... After hearing some really tough sounding V6's with duals, my Magnaflow just wasn't cutting it... I was sure the only way to improve the sound was by getting rid of the Y-pipe... My mind was pretty much made up... The switch would be for looks and sound only... not worried about any performance gain...
So off I headed to MRT... (www.mrt-direct.com) Seeking the advice of the Mustang Guru Scott Hoag...
I get to MRT and Scott and I start talking exhaust. Scott shows me the muffler they decided to use on their V6 SEMA car... It's an Aero-Turbine muffler that MRT has turned into an axle back kit. Now the Aero-Turbine has some pretty big claims (http://www.aero-turbine.com) but again I wasn't worried about performance... only the sound.. Scott told me how they tried different mufflers... but this one was the one that turned the most head driving through town... and beside it's good sound, it's the most free-flowing muffler available..
Now here is were Scott's sage advice comes in... I tell Scott that the Aero-Turbine looks good, and I ask, can we convert my car to a dual setup? Now I'm going to paraphrase here but you'll get the idea... Now we all can pretty much agree that our V6 will never sound like a V8. You just can't do it... I mean you can make it sound really good but you'll never be able to replicate the V8. Now here's the point that convinced me to stay with a single exhaust... When people see the dual exhausts on a Mustang they think V8... You start the car up... and no matter how good the sound is, it's not a V8 and now you've disappointed your "audience"... Now the same people look at your car, see the single exhaust, think "oh, V6"... you start the car up and it roars... Audience is now SURPRISED at the sound coming out of your single exhaust! WOW!! That's a V6? Very cool!
Ok.. so that may all sound good standing around and talking about it... But it made sense... I attend a ton of car shows... so for me it really made sense... duals may disappoint, so why not surprise with single... Ok, Scott prove it! So he grabs the muffler and we head into the shop to install it! Out comes the Magnflow... In goest the MRT!
Scott starts the car and WOW! I can already tell... more volume and MUCH deeper sound!!! Time to go for test ride! It's unreal! I can't believe the how deep the exhuast note has gotten! I mean you won't mistake it for a V8... but it has no signs of being ricey at all!!! I'm all smiles!!!
Now I did get some video... it's pretty crummy... I'll work on getting some better stuff later... The first rev is the Magnaflow... 2nd is the MRT.. and then from inside the car at take off... I had the windows down until i got on the e-way...then I put the windows up..
So if you're in the market for new muffler I would definitely give the MRT axle back a BIG
Ok.. now for a couple of quick pics and a link to the video...
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So off I headed to MRT... (www.mrt-direct.com) Seeking the advice of the Mustang Guru Scott Hoag...
I get to MRT and Scott and I start talking exhaust. Scott shows me the muffler they decided to use on their V6 SEMA car... It's an Aero-Turbine muffler that MRT has turned into an axle back kit. Now the Aero-Turbine has some pretty big claims (http://www.aero-turbine.com) but again I wasn't worried about performance... only the sound.. Scott told me how they tried different mufflers... but this one was the one that turned the most head driving through town... and beside it's good sound, it's the most free-flowing muffler available..
Now here is were Scott's sage advice comes in... I tell Scott that the Aero-Turbine looks good, and I ask, can we convert my car to a dual setup? Now I'm going to paraphrase here but you'll get the idea... Now we all can pretty much agree that our V6 will never sound like a V8. You just can't do it... I mean you can make it sound really good but you'll never be able to replicate the V8. Now here's the point that convinced me to stay with a single exhaust... When people see the dual exhausts on a Mustang they think V8... You start the car up... and no matter how good the sound is, it's not a V8 and now you've disappointed your "audience"... Now the same people look at your car, see the single exhaust, think "oh, V6"... you start the car up and it roars... Audience is now SURPRISED at the sound coming out of your single exhaust! WOW!! That's a V6? Very cool!
Ok.. so that may all sound good standing around and talking about it... But it made sense... I attend a ton of car shows... so for me it really made sense... duals may disappoint, so why not surprise with single... Ok, Scott prove it! So he grabs the muffler and we head into the shop to install it! Out comes the Magnflow... In goest the MRT!
Scott starts the car and WOW! I can already tell... more volume and MUCH deeper sound!!! Time to go for test ride! It's unreal! I can't believe the how deep the exhuast note has gotten! I mean you won't mistake it for a V8... but it has no signs of being ricey at all!!! I'm all smiles!!!
Now I did get some video... it's pretty crummy... I'll work on getting some better stuff later... The first rev is the Magnaflow... 2nd is the MRT.. and then from inside the car at take off... I had the windows down until i got on the e-way...then I put the windows up..
So if you're in the market for new muffler I would definitely give the MRT axle back a BIG
Ok.. now for a couple of quick pics and a link to the video...
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when those bad boys for sell?
1/26/06, 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by Fazm@January 26, 2006, 10:22 PM
Oh, and i didnt except this to be the suprise, replacing what was already there lol.
Would love to see if these do have better gains over magnaflow
Oh, and i didnt except this to be the suprise, replacing what was already there lol.
Would love to see if these do have better gains over magnaflow
BTW... the axle back info is here: http://www.mrt-direct.com/2005/Pages/mrtaxleback.php
They don't have a listing on the web for the single yet.. but it's $225... Which is actually cheaper than the Magnaflow... One thing I noticed when Scott pulled out the Magnaflow..the muffler is 100% stainless but they used regular steel for the hangers! So they were nasty rusted and of course rust stains on the muffler.. Scott uses stainless hangers!
1/26/06, 08:24 PM
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Does the butt dyno say anything. Sounds good! Looks sweet!
1/26/06, 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by MSP@January 26, 2006, 10:23 PM
Sounds pretty darn good man!! Nice job!
Seriously, I didnt think that muffler would produce such a deep sound... Is this going through the stock Y pipe?
Sounds pretty darn good man!! Nice job!
Seriously, I didnt think that muffler would produce such a deep sound... Is this going through the stock Y pipe?
Yes this is still using the stock Y-Pipe! It's just a simple axle back...
1/26/06, 08:27 PM
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Ya i think im going to just get that instead of go to duals, at least for a while, id be plenty happy with that sound coming out the rear (and still having the v6 appearance).
1/26/06, 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by rygenstormlocke@January 26, 2006, 10:27 PM
Does the butt dyno say anything. Sounds good! Looks sweet!
Does the butt dyno say anything. Sounds good! Looks sweet!
ok... i wasn't going to say anything... but something seems to have change d when the car gets above about 4500 RPM... It's supposed to be nice again here tomorrow so I'll get some more time behind the wheel... Don't know when I can get the car on the dyno...
1/26/06, 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by Fazm@January 26, 2006, 10:31 PM
Wait, is it for sell? Like i can order it? Or do we have to wait a little while before we can get it?
Wait, is it for sell? Like i can order it? Or do we have to wait a little while before we can get it?
1/26/06, 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by scrming@January 26, 2006, 7:29 PM
I know, i was comletely SHOCKED! I mean I look at the Muffler and I think RICE!!!! You should hear it in person! LOL!
Yes this is still using the stock Y-Pipe! It's just a simple axle back...
I know, i was comletely SHOCKED! I mean I look at the Muffler and I think RICE!!!! You should hear it in person! LOL!
Yes this is still using the stock Y-Pipe! It's just a simple axle back...
Ok, well I'll be posting some sounds of the new setup soon.. I'll use yours to compare since its still using the stock Y-PIPE.. Great discovery Scrming, I thought for sure the stock Y couldnt make sound like that.. Definatley somethig to consider..
This is an important day.. I know for a fact that all the other cross-overs have more gains then the Y-PIPE... But now it must be proven.. Because the YPIPE does yield to the possibility of vastley imporved sound.. So swapping out the YPIPE must be justified on paper more than in the past.. Previously the theory related to swapping to an X or H to imporve sound.. This changes everything for the sound enthusiast..
1/26/06, 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Hambone@January 26, 2006, 10:33 PM
Wow, that sounds great for a single!!
Wow, that sounds great for a single!!
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Ok ill look into that as soon as i can. I have a feeling after my rear end mods im going to need to free up that exhaust a bit because im going to be nearing the end of 3rd gear in the quarter.
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Originally posted by scrming@January 26, 2006, 10:31 PM
ok... i wasn't going to say anything... but something seems to have change d when the car gets above about 4500 RPM... It's supposed to be nice again here tomorrow so I'll get some more time behind the wheel... Don't know when I can get the car on the dyno...
ok... i wasn't going to say anything... but something seems to have change d when the car gets above about 4500 RPM... It's supposed to be nice again here tomorrow so I'll get some more time behind the wheel... Don't know when I can get the car on the dyno...
I got a big chuckle out of seeing all that SNOW pushed to the side of the road....man I don't EVEN miss that..hehe.
1/26/06, 08:35 PM
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Big difference definitely deeper and sounds better wuithout a doubt, I wonder how it would sound with duals but then again it just might sound better with single vs, duals. I really like the sound from inside the car esp., I like the polished look also very nice touch.
1/26/06, 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by MSP@January 26, 2006, 10:36 PM
Thats the best sounding muffler thus far, when used with the stock Y... I wonder how it sounds with a Pro-Chamber.. Probably really good..
Ok, well I'll be posting some sounds of the new setup soon.. I'll use yours to compare since its still using the stock Y-PIPE.. Great discovery Scrming, I thought for sure the stock Y couldnt make sound like that.. Definatley somethig to consider..
This is an important day.. I know for a fact that all the other cross-overs have more gains then the Y-PIPE... But now it must be proven.. Because the YPIPE does yield to the possibility of vastley imporved sound.. So swapping out the YPIPE must be justified on paper more than in the past.. Previously the theory related to swapping to an X or H to imporve sound.. This changes everything for the sound enthusiast..
Thats the best sounding muffler thus far, when used with the stock Y... I wonder how it sounds with a Pro-Chamber.. Probably really good..
Ok, well I'll be posting some sounds of the new setup soon.. I'll use yours to compare since its still using the stock Y-PIPE.. Great discovery Scrming, I thought for sure the stock Y couldnt make sound like that.. Definatley somethig to consider..
This is an important day.. I know for a fact that all the other cross-overs have more gains then the Y-PIPE... But now it must be proven.. Because the YPIPE does yield to the possibility of vastley imporved sound.. So swapping out the YPIPE must be justified on paper more than in the past.. Previously the theory related to swapping to an X or H to imporve sound.. This changes everything for the sound enthusiast..
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I personally hate the way the single exhaust looks.. I must have duals.. If this means people with V8's must prove themself worthy, then so be it..
I have no problem bending over GT owners on a winding country road with long straightaways.. LOL!! Bring it on!! 
This is a nice stop gap mod though.. With excellent results... You can still pursue dual with this setup... So making it an either or mod is not the best scenario..
I have no problem bending over GT owners on a winding country road with long straightaways.. LOL!! Bring it on!!
This is a nice stop gap mod though.. With excellent results... You can still pursue dual with this setup... So making it an either or mod is not the best scenario..