New Dyno numbers with the C&L and BamaChips X-2...
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Question... Zodiac's got a manual tranny?
With my setup running an 89 Octane tune, auto tranny and my big heavy BFGs on a 90 degree day I was at 194RWHP... so 14RWHP less than Zodiac's... take those things into consideration and we're both in the same ballpark.. One of these days when we have some spare time perhaps I can talk Lidio into doing some dyno's of his 93 Octane tune...
Also, for the Nitrous... we took Lidio's 89 octane tune.. took the timing back to stock and did another -2 degrees globally... so I still have the advantage of the torque management changes and improved shifting...
With my setup running an 89 Octane tune, auto tranny and my big heavy BFGs on a 90 degree day I was at 194RWHP... so 14RWHP less than Zodiac's... take those things into consideration and we're both in the same ballpark.. One of these days when we have some spare time perhaps I can talk Lidio into doing some dyno's of his 93 Octane tune...
Also, for the Nitrous... we took Lidio's 89 octane tune.. took the timing back to stock and did another -2 degrees globally... so I still have the advantage of the torque management changes and improved shifting...
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WOW! This is exellerating. But, it also sounds as if we should start saving our pennies now, for that back up engine we will need for our Steed, when our Stang goes Bang. Now don't get me wrong, I've done it before (Bang that is), and am definately ready to do all this also, and try again.
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Hey guys,
Like Screamin said it's not a real good comparison when doing an auto VS a manual. If I can find someone local with an auto or rent one then I'll be able to get some results for these guys as well.
As for the nitrous, It's a good rule of thumb to retard 1 degree of timing for every 25hp shot. So no, I wouldn't run this tune with the nitrous unless I went in and took about 4 degree's of timing out up top. Now as for the a/f sure it's fine. Also, if you wanted to use it with an 87 program and the C&L that's fine with nitrous because I dont' do very much to the timing with an 87 program but of course this is if you were running 89 or 93.
Sorry, that got a bit confusing. The major things to remember with nitrous is you want to ensure you have good fuel, 91/93 minimum, and then have your program set up for it. If Zodiac gets a Zex kit then I'll gladly retune his setup for it and send everyone the numbers again. I've tuned a 4.0 SOHC with a M112 on it to 293rwhp and 327 rwtq in a 04' Ranger so the SOHC definatly has it in it.
We're just at the beginning with this engine in the Mustang's.
Thanks, Doug.
Like Screamin said it's not a real good comparison when doing an auto VS a manual. If I can find someone local with an auto or rent one then I'll be able to get some results for these guys as well.
As for the nitrous, It's a good rule of thumb to retard 1 degree of timing for every 25hp shot. So no, I wouldn't run this tune with the nitrous unless I went in and took about 4 degree's of timing out up top. Now as for the a/f sure it's fine. Also, if you wanted to use it with an 87 program and the C&L that's fine with nitrous because I dont' do very much to the timing with an 87 program but of course this is if you were running 89 or 93.
Sorry, that got a bit confusing. The major things to remember with nitrous is you want to ensure you have good fuel, 91/93 minimum, and then have your program set up for it. If Zodiac gets a Zex kit then I'll gladly retune his setup for it and send everyone the numbers again. I've tuned a 4.0 SOHC with a M112 on it to 293rwhp and 327 rwtq in a 04' Ranger so the SOHC definatly has it in it.
We're just at the beginning with this engine in the Mustang's.
Thanks, Doug.
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Originally posted by Doug904@November 20, 2005, 4:07 PM
Hey guys,
Like Screamin said it's not a real good comparison when doing an auto VS a manual. If I can find someone local with an auto or rent one then I'll be able to get some results for these guys as well.
As for the nitrous, It's a good rule of thumb to retard 1 degree of timing for every 25hp shot. So no, I wouldn't run this tune with the nitrous unless I went in and took about 4 degree's of timing out up top. Now as for the a/f sure it's fine. Also, if you wanted to use it with an 87 program and the C&L that's fine with nitrous because I dont' do very much to the timing with an 87 program but of course this is if you were running 89 or 93.
Sorry, that got a bit confusing. The major things to remember with nitrous is you want to ensure you have good fuel, 91/93 minimum, and then have your program set up for it. If Zodiac gets a Zex kit then I'll gladly retune his setup for it and send everyone the numbers again. I've tuned a 4.0 SOHC with a M112 on it to 293rwhp and 327 rwtq in a 04' Ranger so the SOHC definatly has it in it.
We're just at the beginning with this engine in the Mustang's.
Thanks, Doug.
Hey guys,
Like Screamin said it's not a real good comparison when doing an auto VS a manual. If I can find someone local with an auto or rent one then I'll be able to get some results for these guys as well.
As for the nitrous, It's a good rule of thumb to retard 1 degree of timing for every 25hp shot. So no, I wouldn't run this tune with the nitrous unless I went in and took about 4 degree's of timing out up top. Now as for the a/f sure it's fine. Also, if you wanted to use it with an 87 program and the C&L that's fine with nitrous because I dont' do very much to the timing with an 87 program but of course this is if you were running 89 or 93.
Sorry, that got a bit confusing. The major things to remember with nitrous is you want to ensure you have good fuel, 91/93 minimum, and then have your program set up for it. If Zodiac gets a Zex kit then I'll gladly retune his setup for it and send everyone the numbers again. I've tuned a 4.0 SOHC with a M112 on it to 293rwhp and 327 rwtq in a 04' Ranger so the SOHC definatly has it in it.
We're just at the beginning with this engine in the Mustang's.
Thanks, Doug.
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Originally posted by Doug904@November 20, 2005, 12:07 PM
Hey guys,
Like Screamin said it's not a real good comparison when doing an auto VS a manual. If I can find someone local with an auto or rent one then I'll be able to get some results for these guys as well.
As for the nitrous, It's a good rule of thumb to retard 1 degree of timing for every 25hp shot. So no, I wouldn't run this tune with the nitrous unless I went in and took about 4 degree's of timing out up top. Now as for the a/f sure it's fine. Also, if you wanted to use it with an 87 program and the C&L that's fine with nitrous because I dont' do very much to the timing with an 87 program but of course this is if you were running 89 or 93.
Sorry, that got a bit confusing. The major things to remember with nitrous is you want to ensure you have good fuel, 91/93 minimum, and then have your program set up for it. If Zodiac gets a Zex kit then I'll gladly retune his setup for it and send everyone the numbers again. I've tuned a 4.0 SOHC with a M112 on it to 293rwhp and 327 rwtq in a 04' Ranger so the SOHC definatly has it in it.
We're just at the beginning with this engine in the Mustang's.
Thanks, Doug.
Hey guys,
Like Screamin said it's not a real good comparison when doing an auto VS a manual. If I can find someone local with an auto or rent one then I'll be able to get some results for these guys as well.
As for the nitrous, It's a good rule of thumb to retard 1 degree of timing for every 25hp shot. So no, I wouldn't run this tune with the nitrous unless I went in and took about 4 degree's of timing out up top. Now as for the a/f sure it's fine. Also, if you wanted to use it with an 87 program and the C&L that's fine with nitrous because I dont' do very much to the timing with an 87 program but of course this is if you were running 89 or 93.
Sorry, that got a bit confusing. The major things to remember with nitrous is you want to ensure you have good fuel, 91/93 minimum, and then have your program set up for it. If Zodiac gets a Zex kit then I'll gladly retune his setup for it and send everyone the numbers again. I've tuned a 4.0 SOHC with a M112 on it to 293rwhp and 327 rwtq in a 04' Ranger so the SOHC definatly has it in it.
We're just at the beginning with this engine in the Mustang's.
Thanks, Doug.
This is good stuff Doug904! I am really impressed with you.. I have seen you around, but have not had a real reason to correspond with you.. Now I understand why TMS has made you a consistent part of the staff..
Its all starting to make sense now..Nice comments in regards to the tunning info.. However Sir, you mentioned an Eaton M112 Blower! LOL!! Dont do that around me unless your prepared for some questions.. LOL!!
Would you happen to have access to the manifold which was used for this experiment, which sounds like it was successfull?
Also, Jimp would be good for you to work with.. He has a Black 2005 V6 Auto Trans Mustang.. He already has a Zex Nitrous kit.. He is a really kool guy.. He has lots of money! LOL!! Just kidden on the money part..
Please help him... Like Zodiac, you could use him to make you look good!! Doug904, you gotta use these guys to push the product baby!! Use'em up!
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Originally posted by scrming@November 20, 2005, 11:52 AM
Question... Zodiac's got a manual tranny?
With my setup running an 89 Octane tune, auto tranny and my big heavy BFGs on a 90 degree day I was at 194RWHP... so 14RWHP less than Zodiac's... take those things into consideration and we're both in the same ballpark.. One of these days when we have some spare time perhaps I can talk Lidio into doing some dyno's of his 93 Octane tune...
Also, for the Nitrous... we took Lidio's 89 octane tune.. took the timing back to stock and did another -2 degrees globally... so I still have the advantage of the torque management changes and improved shifting...
Question... Zodiac's got a manual tranny?
With my setup running an 89 Octane tune, auto tranny and my big heavy BFGs on a 90 degree day I was at 194RWHP... so 14RWHP less than Zodiac's... take those things into consideration and we're both in the same ballpark.. One of these days when we have some spare time perhaps I can talk Lidio into doing some dyno's of his 93 Octane tune...
Also, for the Nitrous... we took Lidio's 89 octane tune.. took the timing back to stock and did another -2 degrees globally... so I still have the advantage of the torque management changes and improved shifting...
Thanks for the info Scrming.. Of course you know why you always have to be the example.. Your the best example of excellence so far, so please take it as a compliment!
When people dont use your car as a benchmark, then you know your way off track.. In your case, your the best example people can think of, which is why your car is on the front page of your website..
High Scrmings MOM!!
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Originally posted by MSP@November 20, 2005, 3:28 PM
Thanks for the info Scrming.. Of course you know why you always have to be the example.. Your the best example of excellence so far, so please take it as a compliment!
When people dont use your car as a benchmark, then you know your way off track.. In your case, your the best example people can think of, which is why your car is on the front page of your website.. High Scrmings MOM!!
Thanks for the info Scrming.. Of course you know why you always have to be the example.. Your the best example of excellence so far, so please take it as a compliment!
When people dont use your car as a benchmark, then you know your way off track.. In your case, your the best example people can think of, which is why your car is on the front page of your website..
High Scrmings MOM!! Personally I've come to the conclusion that if you stick with one of the 3 or so well known tuners like Doug, Justin or Lidio you can't go wrong... for us guys doing lot of mods if we happen to be local to one these guys it's a great advantage for us! Having access to a shop like Doug's or Lidio's is a great asset! That is the key... finding a shop that excited about the new V6... Based on Zodiac story it sounds like Doug and Lidio are cut from the same mold... My 1st experience at Lidio's shop was very very similar to Zodiac's... These guy, Doug and Lidio love cars and see the potential of the new 4.0L Mustang! And their excitement is infectious! And don't forget I'm also local to MRT!!! Another great shop that is excited about the V6 car!!! Scott is a great guy too!!
Ok... technically the mustang is not the main page of the website.. I always just direct link to it... Now.. being that it's not the front page, my "hit counter" doesn't measure it as a hit if you follow the link directly to the mustang page... so last Sunday I put a "hit counter" on the Mustang page... About 225 hits since last Sunday! LOL!
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Keep in mind Doug's been workin on these cars for years now.. if there's a leader in the 4.0 engine its Doug. He KNOWS what this car is capable of and what to do to bring out the best in it.
Im having some family issures right now amongst other things. I may not have my car again for along time to say the least. Daddy wasnt too happy about that speeing ticket and what its going to do to our insurance. I really dont know if I can hold down another job with school right now but if I can Im going to in order to help with insurance. All the money I made this summer is about dried up so I really need one anyway.
The next project for me is getting my t-lok and gears installed. After that its probably going to be my lowering springs and the caster/camber and LCAs. After that.. Zex looks like a pretty good idea. The main thing that slows me down is money.. its so hard to come by these days.
As for the blowers, I know Dougs tuned tons of them. We had quite a few talks yesterday about both the m90 as well as the m112. Ill let him relay that knowledge to you when he's ready and has time.
If luck holds out and I can get ahold of my car I may be testing a SC kit in the future with Doug. Who wants to see THOSE numbers?
And MSP you got one thing backwards... Doug doesnt need me or anyone else to make him self look good. He makes US look good man. Im tellin ya.
Im having some family issures right now amongst other things. I may not have my car again for along time to say the least. Daddy wasnt too happy about that speeing ticket and what its going to do to our insurance. I really dont know if I can hold down another job with school right now but if I can Im going to in order to help with insurance. All the money I made this summer is about dried up so I really need one anyway.
The next project for me is getting my t-lok and gears installed. After that its probably going to be my lowering springs and the caster/camber and LCAs. After that.. Zex looks like a pretty good idea. The main thing that slows me down is money.. its so hard to come by these days.
As for the blowers, I know Dougs tuned tons of them. We had quite a few talks yesterday about both the m90 as well as the m112. Ill let him relay that knowledge to you when he's ready and has time.
If luck holds out and I can get ahold of my car I may be testing a SC kit in the future with Doug. Who wants to see THOSE numbers?
And MSP you got one thing backwards... Doug doesnt need me or anyone else to make him self look good. He makes US look good man. Im tellin ya.
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Originally posted by Zodiac@November 20, 2005, 4:17 PM
Keep in mind Doug's been workin on these cars for years now.. if there's a leader in the 4.0 engine its Doug. He KNOWS what this car is capable of and what to do to bring out the best in it.
Im having some family issures right now amongst other things. I may not have my car again for along time to say the least. Daddy wasnt too happy about that speeing ticket and what its going to do to our insurance. I really dont know if I can hold down another job with school right now but if I can Im going to in order to help with insurance. All the money I made this summer is about dried up so I really need one anyway.
The next project for me is getting my t-lok and gears installed. After that its probably going to be my lowering springs and the caster/camber and LCAs. After that.. Zex looks like a pretty good idea. The main thing that slows me down is money.. its so hard to come by these days.
As for the blowers, I know Dougs tuned tons of them. We had quite a few talks yesterday about both the m90 as well as the m112. Ill let him relay that knowledge to you when he's ready and has time.
If luck holds out and I can get ahold of my car I may be testing a SC kit in the future with Doug. Who wants to see THOSE numbers?
And MSP you got one thing backwards... Doug doesnt need me or anyone else to make him self look good. He makes US look good man. Im tellin ya.
Keep in mind Doug's been workin on these cars for years now.. if there's a leader in the 4.0 engine its Doug. He KNOWS what this car is capable of and what to do to bring out the best in it.
Im having some family issures right now amongst other things. I may not have my car again for along time to say the least. Daddy wasnt too happy about that speeing ticket and what its going to do to our insurance. I really dont know if I can hold down another job with school right now but if I can Im going to in order to help with insurance. All the money I made this summer is about dried up so I really need one anyway.
The next project for me is getting my t-lok and gears installed. After that its probably going to be my lowering springs and the caster/camber and LCAs. After that.. Zex looks like a pretty good idea. The main thing that slows me down is money.. its so hard to come by these days.
As for the blowers, I know Dougs tuned tons of them. We had quite a few talks yesterday about both the m90 as well as the m112. Ill let him relay that knowledge to you when he's ready and has time.
If luck holds out and I can get ahold of my car I may be testing a SC kit in the future with Doug. Who wants to see THOSE numbers?
And MSP you got one thing backwards... Doug doesnt need me or anyone else to make him self look good. He makes US look good man. Im tellin ya.
Well after reading all these SCT posts, I think I will have to put mine (Diablo) up on ebay. I have been trying to find a mechanic that can tune my car with the Diablo like you have with the SCT, and all the local shops around me are SCT. Searching on the net has yeilded no results and frankly, I do not know enough about cars to be making all the necessary adjustments myself.
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Doug,
Those numbers sound great!
Even though I have an auto and won't match those I can't wait to get your tune & intake on my car.
I just got your message last night and this will make an excellent holiday present to myself.
Hope you get an auto to tune on soon.
Thanks,
Gary L.
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GT grille conversion
17" Bullitt wheels
K&N drop in filter
JBA titanium headers
GT right side muffler
Those numbers sound great!
Even though I have an auto and won't match those I can't wait to get your tune & intake on my car.
I just got your message last night and this will make an excellent holiday present to myself.
Hope you get an auto to tune on soon.
Thanks,
Gary L.
05' Windveil Blue V6 Auto
GT grille conversion
17" Bullitt wheels
K&N drop in filter
JBA titanium headers
GT right side muffler
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Hamid,
Thanks. Yes they are nice rides and it's great that there's people like Doug that can provide us with more upgrades for them. My last car had nothing available to add to it. It's nice to have something I can get my hands into.
I was looking at the red but I was afraid people would think I wanted to race them as well as attracing the police. The blue was on the lot with all the options and I didn't want to wait for an order.
By the way, I'm new to this board. How do you get the picture of your car on your info thing on the side?
Thanks,
Gary
Thanks. Yes they are nice rides and it's great that there's people like Doug that can provide us with more upgrades for them. My last car had nothing available to add to it. It's nice to have something I can get my hands into.
I was looking at the red but I was afraid people would think I wanted to race them as well as attracing the police. The blue was on the lot with all the options and I didn't want to wait for an order.
By the way, I'm new to this board. How do you get the picture of your car on your info thing on the side?
Thanks,
Gary
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Gary... welcome to the board! Yeah.. these cars have plenty of mod potential and the aftermarket is just beginning to awaken.
My first car was a candy apple red '68 coupe with a black vinyl top... had to get another red one!
Looks like you figured out your avatar pic...
My first car was a candy apple red '68 coupe with a black vinyl top... had to get another red one!
Looks like you figured out your avatar pic...
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Originally posted by garyb900@November 22, 2005, 4:58 AM
Doug,
Those numbers sound great!
Even though I have an auto and won't match those I can't wait to get your tune & intake on my car.
I just got your message last night and this will make an excellent holiday present to myself.
Hope you get an auto to tune on soon.
Thanks,
Gary L.
05' Windveil Blue V6 Auto
GT grille conversion
17" Bullitt wheels
K&N drop in filter
JBA titanium headers
GT right side muffler
Doug,
Those numbers sound great!
Even though I have an auto and won't match those I can't wait to get your tune & intake on my car.
I just got your message last night and this will make an excellent holiday present to myself.
Hope you get an auto to tune on soon.
Thanks,
Gary L.
05' Windveil Blue V6 Auto
GT grille conversion
17" Bullitt wheels
K&N drop in filter
JBA titanium headers
GT right side muffler
Nice car!
Originally posted by garyb900@November 22, 2005, 11:27 AM
Hamid,
Thanks. Yes they are nice rides and it's great that there's people like Doug that can provide us with more upgrades for them. My last car had nothing available to add to it. It's nice to have something I can get my hands into.
I was looking at the red but I was afraid people would think I wanted to race them as well as attracing the police. The blue was on the lot with all the options and I didn't want to wait for an order.
By the way, I'm new to this board. How do you get the picture of your car on your info thing on the side?
Thanks,
Gary
Hamid,
Thanks. Yes they are nice rides and it's great that there's people like Doug that can provide us with more upgrades for them. My last car had nothing available to add to it. It's nice to have something I can get my hands into.
I was looking at the red but I was afraid people would think I wanted to race them as well as attracing the police. The blue was on the lot with all the options and I didn't want to wait for an order.
By the way, I'm new to this board. How do you get the picture of your car on your info thing on the side?
Thanks,
Gary
Sweet ride, welcome aboard! Love the wheels.
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Thanks for the nice words everyone. It's nice to know I got on a board with decent folks. I really appreciate it. I know we all work hard to make our cars something different and personal to each of us. Every ride I've seen on these boards has been awesome. It's really cool to see what everyone does with the same basic starting point and creates something unique to their needs and style.
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Doug,
I have a question for you and I don't want to start a war here. scrming, Jimp and I were informed by a Ford Mechanic on another forum that the 4.0L is a "delicate flower" of an engine... In response to a post by JIMP calling him out he said:
I'd really like to get your take on this comment. Like I said, I don't want to start a war here but I really trust your opinion and wanted to get your thoughts on the 4.0L and the claims made by this person.
Thanx
Frank (a.k.a cordum from the emails I sent you)
I have a question for you and I don't want to start a war here. scrming, Jimp and I were informed by a Ford Mechanic on another forum that the 4.0L is a "delicate flower" of an engine... In response to a post by JIMP calling him out he said:
Nothing to back them up? Talking out of my Turdcutter?
Sorry, I don't mean to toot my own horn here, but I've probably got more experience with this engine than anyone here in the forum.
Do you have any idea how overwhelmingly overcomplicated this engine is? It's not like the 4.6, a simple OHC engine. It's plagued with Timing chain cassette failures, Tensioner problems, Valve spring issues..
In case you don't know, I'll try to summarize things. It's got a crankshaft, right? But instead of the crank directly driving the cams, the crank instead turns a long shaft in place of where the camshaft in the old OHV 4.0's was, via a chain. This shaft, called a "Jackshaft" has 2 more chains swinging around it. One chain drives the camshaft for bank 2, and this chain is located in the front of the engine. The other chain is in the BACK, and is basically impossible to access/service without removing the engine completely. This chain drives the bank 1 cam. This rear chain cassette is relatively prone to breaking, and even though Ford has released an updated cassette, it still breaks. The tensioners, however, are on the OUTSIDE if the engine and screw directly through the cylinder heads to try and maintain pressure on the guides.
In attempt to save money, the head castings are identical from side to side, much like the modular engine family. But, unlike the mods, there is no full length timing cover, so the chain guides and chains and cassettes pass through the clinder head castings itself, which is why one chain is driven from the front and one is driven from the rear.
The cam gears aren't keyed by any means either. They rely solely on bolt torque to keep them properly seated on the camshaft. For this reason, under a basic thread pattern, the rotational twist of the jackshaft will inerently try to "loosen" the cam gear retaining bolt for bank 1. So, the bank 1 cam gear bolt is reverse threaded. That may have been the only decent idea that went into this engine.
heck, some of these engines need a balance shaft as well, which is driven by ANOTHER geared shaft, which is driven by ANOTHER chain connected to the crank.
Now, add a relatively weak block, TINY rods, super weak pistons, and 300+ rwhp @ over 6,000 rpms and you might have a vague idea of where I'm coming from.
I've had enough of these things apart to know that I wouldn't EVER try to squeeze any extra power out of one.
Not to mention that the V6 comes with the notoriously useless T-5 transmission and equally worthless 7.5 inch rear axle. The only way that buying a new V6 mustang as a performance option would make sens would be to do it for the initial lower payments and savings on insurance. Then, tear the ENTIRE DRIVETRAIN out of it, sell it, and use the money you've made on it to build up something that might last a few months.
Sorry, I don't mean to toot my own horn here, but I've probably got more experience with this engine than anyone here in the forum.
Do you have any idea how overwhelmingly overcomplicated this engine is? It's not like the 4.6, a simple OHC engine. It's plagued with Timing chain cassette failures, Tensioner problems, Valve spring issues..
In case you don't know, I'll try to summarize things. It's got a crankshaft, right? But instead of the crank directly driving the cams, the crank instead turns a long shaft in place of where the camshaft in the old OHV 4.0's was, via a chain. This shaft, called a "Jackshaft" has 2 more chains swinging around it. One chain drives the camshaft for bank 2, and this chain is located in the front of the engine. The other chain is in the BACK, and is basically impossible to access/service without removing the engine completely. This chain drives the bank 1 cam. This rear chain cassette is relatively prone to breaking, and even though Ford has released an updated cassette, it still breaks. The tensioners, however, are on the OUTSIDE if the engine and screw directly through the cylinder heads to try and maintain pressure on the guides.
In attempt to save money, the head castings are identical from side to side, much like the modular engine family. But, unlike the mods, there is no full length timing cover, so the chain guides and chains and cassettes pass through the clinder head castings itself, which is why one chain is driven from the front and one is driven from the rear.
The cam gears aren't keyed by any means either. They rely solely on bolt torque to keep them properly seated on the camshaft. For this reason, under a basic thread pattern, the rotational twist of the jackshaft will inerently try to "loosen" the cam gear retaining bolt for bank 1. So, the bank 1 cam gear bolt is reverse threaded. That may have been the only decent idea that went into this engine.
heck, some of these engines need a balance shaft as well, which is driven by ANOTHER geared shaft, which is driven by ANOTHER chain connected to the crank.
Now, add a relatively weak block, TINY rods, super weak pistons, and 300+ rwhp @ over 6,000 rpms and you might have a vague idea of where I'm coming from.
I've had enough of these things apart to know that I wouldn't EVER try to squeeze any extra power out of one.
Not to mention that the V6 comes with the notoriously useless T-5 transmission and equally worthless 7.5 inch rear axle. The only way that buying a new V6 mustang as a performance option would make sens would be to do it for the initial lower payments and savings on insurance. Then, tear the ENTIRE DRIVETRAIN out of it, sell it, and use the money you've made on it to build up something that might last a few months.
Thanx
Frank (a.k.a cordum from the emails I sent you)
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I've been building and working on the 4.0's since 93'. Yes, when the 97's SOHC's come out they were a bit on the harsh side and with the timing chain tensiorers and such had their share of issues but so did the 3.8. The 3.8 in 96-98 would blow the head gaskets regularly.
Each engine has it's downfalls and its been around alot longer then most, being that it's based off the original 2.6 from the early 70's.
Anyway, without going crazy into it most people has their thoughts about the V6 and how bad it is but the best thing to do is run it and teach them otherwise.
I have a guy with an 04' Ranger SOHC with 293 rwhp and 327 rwtq and it's his Daily Driver.
Thanks, Doug.
Each engine has it's downfalls and its been around alot longer then most, being that it's based off the original 2.6 from the early 70's.
Anyway, without going crazy into it most people has their thoughts about the V6 and how bad it is but the best thing to do is run it and teach them otherwise.
I have a guy with an 04' Ranger SOHC with 293 rwhp and 327 rwtq and it's his Daily Driver.
Thanks, Doug.