I just read in another forum that Ford made the following changes to the 06 V6 stang:

- new engine calibrations
- new camshaft

Anyone know of any other changes they made?

 

That's awesome!! YEAH! Do you have a link or anything?

 

Do we know that's awesome yet? That stuff could also have been done for emissions :scratch:

 

Yea, I'm wondering if the person that mentioned this over at the mustangforums was asuming the changes to the 4.0L in the new Explorer also made thier way to the 06 Stang.

I'll keep you posted.

 

Its possible, I googled it and found several references to the 4.0L in the explorer and one article mentioned emissions.

 

Yeah, we better get this confirmed before we jump the gun...

 

Im pretty sure this isnt true about our stangs. I mean, I seriously think Id know at this point if there were different camshafts, to say the least about calibrations and how it would mess with canned tunes...

 

Ok, here is the deal on this one. I spent a lot of time researching this one, and I talked to the guy that put the post up about it at another location. All my research led to articles about the 06 explorer, and I PM'd him, and he confirmed that his data was based on the same thing. However, just because the ranger and explorer have the 4.0 dosent mean they will be 100% the same, and making such asumptions are not good practice.

So this one can be offically closed. Next time if I see something that significant, I'll do the research before putting it over here.

Later.

 

I wouldnt look at it in that way... It would seem strange that Ford would make a change so soon to the Mustang's platform.. It is possible these changes could be coming for the 2007 model year.. A change in cam grinds would totally change the characteristics of the SOHC 4.0 however.. This is why this type of change could be immidiatley spotted on a 2006 V6.. What we actually need to do, is search for someone with a Pony Package who has a dyno sheet.. This would tell us alot more on its face value than anything else.. This of course would need to be a stock dyno pull, without a tune, or a CAI, or even a dual exhaust setup...

If we can ge a 2006 dyno'd, or find a dyno sheet, we will be able to spot a cam change asap... Our cam is directly related to why we have so much torque.. Changing the intake or exhaust on the cam grind in any way, would change the engines behavior..

So mission not complete yet.. We need to find a stock dyno sheet of a 2006 V6 Mustang....

In my opinion, its always good to post speculation in the form of a question, this way everyone knows to start looking for answers.. If you didnt bring it up, and the 2006 Mustangs were showing signs of alot more or less Torque and HP than the 2005, by the way its responding to mods, everyone would be confused... So I think you did a good job of bringing it up... Nothing wrong with us debating it.. Thats why this forum is here..

 

Thanks, and you are 100% right. Excepcion13 is getting a dyno next friday, I will probably meet him at the shop and see how it goes. Then we can look at his dyno and continue from there.

I have an appointment with the same shop this monday for a dyno session, so I will finally have something to post as well.

 

Never anything wrong with looking into things to see what the real situation is (one of the things this board is a great resource for). I just think caution is in order in the absence of any "new and improved" type bragging from Ford (Car companys ain't modest ya know )

I wonder if maybe Kevin (05STANGKC) could look up the part #'s for the cams for the '05 and '06. That might tell us something.

 

Im sure Kevin could.. just ask. He'd probably know right off the bat. I still say if there was a change we'd know by now. And I know I smoked an 06 pony package v6 off the line the other day, so if they did it might not have been for the better... hehe

 

Dropped Kevin a note I'll post if I hear back, or maybe he'll chime in directly if he has info.

EDIT: Direct from Kevin:

 

Rygen did you miss the link at Mustang forums I posted stating a new cam is in the 2006 V6 4.0 in the link below





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According to Ford's published performance specs the Explorer and the Mustang have different engine management electronics, as well as different torque ratings. It's entirely plausible for a truck and a passenger car to share the same base engine, but have differences in details like cams, etc.

The other thing is that even if the 'stang had received a different cam for '06 (which doesn't appear to be the case), all of the talk on that link specifically talks about emissions levels as the reason. Not a whisper about performance improvements, so I'd wager that cam in the Explorer is either a wash performance-wise compared to the previous one, or maybe even came with a penalty (not uncommon in the search for lower emissions)

With all the talk of horsepower, torque, 0-60 times, Nitrous, Turbos, Superchargers, gear sets and on and on here, I've yet to see the first " I modded my car and reduced hydrocarbon emissions by 10%!!!" post

This doesn't seem to apply to us, and even if it did, I don't think it would be party time...

 

Nope, I saw this article, I actually confirmed I read it over there as well. That was what my google search tripped in response to the original thread.

 

This is long story posted about the change I read 2 months ago in MF's on a unrelated thread someone asked for a link never saved it, so I went searching couldn't find the exact one but finnaly found one very similar.

Also HP/TQ specs are rated diff RPM, diff manage doesn't ness suggest its not the same cam.

I not saying your wrong the only thing find hard to believe is why would Ford use to diff cams in the same engine they put in the Exp/Mustang (esp. in their fin situation). One would think if the pefroms/emiss are better with the new cam (why wouldn't you transfer that to the Mustang also and just tweak the management and instead of running two diff bump sticks) why run a lesser cam old cam in the Mustang.


If you read my post at MF's I just about said the same thing. (“Ford would be touting it’)

I could agree with this and did at MF's post ("cam not ness HP gain')

You know its the same exact same Cologne 4.0 they use in Explorer/Ranger/Mustang I just wouldn't be quick to conclude they made these changes to the Explorer only. threy might of but just doesn't make encon/perf/emiss sense to me.

It's hard to get info and correct specs on stuff this new. You really can't go by part numbers that Rygn was talking about either for this reason. I worked at a Chevy dealer/parts when I was 18 and when a new part came and it was compatable with previous years it superseeded the older part number there for the new part number was same as the old part number.

 

I had no idea that the same part would have different part numbers, that is odd. And every single aspect of the part is the same? Oh well, guess you learn something new every day.

 

rygn I am not sure you got it let me give you a sample example.

Lets say a part like a camshaft in 74 -75 Vette is a certen number and then Chevy slightly changes the lift or duration in 76, or found metal softness in on one lobe wearing. They go with a new camshaft in the the 76 vette but it is compatable in 74 & 75's also and it will now be the replacement for 74-75's. The part new part number will now superseed the old one. So if go into the computer it will show the same part number for 74-76 vette camshaft.

 

Ok, I typed it wrong but that is what I meant. Had it backwards. So Ford adheres to this practice as well? I still find this practice odd, what if there is a recall and a technician goes to look the part up on the vechicle, and it matches what is in the inventory system....thus he/she would think the recalled part was not installed in the vechicle.

I never worked at a dealership, so I take your word for it. Just find it odd.