I hope I'm not reviving a topic that keeps getting beat to the ground....

I have had 3 Fox Body's and still own a Fox drag car. I just got an 05' a few weeks ago and want to do a few minor mods, like cone filter, pulleys and maybe exhaust. This is just my daily driver so I don't want to dump alot of money into it.

What happened to just throwing on a K&N and going for a test drive? I have to get my car re-tuned for a friggin air filter? I see you guys going to the dyno after every mod and reflashing this and that. This is going to be friggin expensive! Is there anything out there that will allow me to adjust A/F off my laptop or something so I don't have to go to the dyno and spend $50.00 for a few pulls because of a little air filter? I can't justify spending 200.00 on a filter and 400.00 on a chip, then go and continousely spend 50.00 on dyno pulls for every mod. I have seen a little on here about the SCT, but it's pointless if I still have to go to a tech and get it dynoed. Is there anything there to allow me to tweak things myself? I guess the guys that live in the boons where dyno's don't exist for 500 miles are screwed for mods on these cars....

 

Frog- There will be CAI kits that will not need a tune. I know K&N is developing a kit that will not require a tune. Others will come out in time. K&N did say it is more work to get the kit to work within the new computer parameters, unlike previous years.

 

But isn't the reason for a conical air filter to get more air flow? If the cars CPU needs to be adjusted to the larger air flow and a K&N doesn't require an adjustment, then that means, there is no increase in air flow. So then the new K&N will not be a power adder.... just a show mod.

I just find it aggrivating that I will have to go to a dyno when I want to add a filter, or any other mod. Than means going to the dyno about 5 times a year..... I don't want to even think about how expensive that will get.

 

He did tell me the received power gains with their new kit. How much is the question and if it will be worth the price. He couldn't tell me how much the gains were until they release the kit, once they do that, I will get the dyno sheet they ran with kit on the car and then I can tell you how much it did over my stock setup which they ran before they fabricated their new kit onto the car.

 

Get all parts installed at one time .
And you will only have to get one tune.

 

Yea.... I was thinking about that as I was writing my response earlier. But still! BAH! I want immediate results with each mod. I don't like depending on others to make my car faster. It's just me..... I was spoiled with the 5.0. Maybe they will come out with a "Home Tuner" program or something. TWEECER for 05's?

 

It is hard to say if you need to tune the car after installing a cone filter, however, since the kits we are getting have a different MAF sensor intake we have to flash the computer. For example, as soon as I installed my MMR intake kit the engine light came on and my fuel mileage dropped. The computer is trying to compensate for the extra air intake by dumping in more fuel.

Some companies claim that their kits do not require a tune but I will believe that when I see it. Up until now, everyone that has installed a "cone" style filter had to perform a tune...well in this forum that is.

I didn't plan on spending this much either, and it is worse for me because I am in Canada and pay shipping/duties on everything. I just got my SCT Xcalibrator today and had to pay $125.00 duty fees for it.

The list goes on and on and on.

 

Adrenalin:

How are your stripe kits coming along?

 

Good info Adrenalin. Sux to pay those duty fees.... Canada is some BEAUTIFUL country though! I bet you turn ALOT of heads in your car! I'm curious about your stripes tooo. Do you make kits?

 

NO, when you get the SCT XCalibrator, you can buy the cable to and make smaller adjustsments youself, such as A/F ration, tire sizes, etc.

So Frog, you can do it. the end user software is crap right now (in this version) btyu I would guess in a week or so, it should be fixed.

-Bryan

 

Need to make a few more changes. Trying to make it as easy, and as well documented as I can for someone to install it.

 

You can still slap on a filter and go for a test drive. You just will need a $325 tool to adjust it. The people who are tuning on the dyno want it optimized.

Back before onboard computers you had to tweak the carb screws, fool with the distributor, etc. I don't see how it is THAT much different now for cost. Back in the day you had to have a timing light, screwdrivers, (hammer??), and other tools. The handheld tuner is just a tool.

The people who are dyno tuning just want something more exact than SOTP.

 

Need to make a few more changes. Trying to make it as easy, and as well documented as I can for someone to install it. [/b][/quote]
I'm sure you documented this.... but just thought I would mention anyways. You know it's easiest to install stripes, or and vinal decal for that matter, by using soapy water. I have used a buket w/ soapy water before, but also spray bottles work good too I think. Only need like 1 drop of liquid hand soap for every cup of water.....or something like that. Then squigie away!

 

O.K. so thats good to know..... You can do smaller tweaks yourself. Thanks!

 

I'm sure you documented this.... but just thought I would mention anyways. You know it's easiest to install stripes, or and vinal decal for that matter, by using soapy water. I have used a buket w/ soapy water before, but also spray bottles work good too I think. Only need like 1 drop of liquid hand soap for every cup of water.....or something like that. Then squigie away! [/b][/quote]
You can't install them that way in this situation. There are too many curves. They have to be installed dry.

 

^ Really? I'm sure you are right.... but when I have done decals using soap, they just slide around into any curve since it's all slippery and slimey underneith. Then just squigie out the air bubbles. I have never done anything that large but I would think the same process should work.... interesting.

 

I tried it first and it doesn't. The curve in the hood alone messes it up. If you are trying the 1" gap like I did this is what happens. At the top of the hood, near the glass you line the stripe up to your mark. Then line the other end up at the front of the hood. The middle of the stripe will be off by 3/4". If you push the middle in so it lines up the stripe at the front of the hood is now 1" past the mark. If you get it completely lined up you have almost 3/4" of material bunched up in the middle and no where to go.

The stripes have to go on dry because they need to be "stretched" into place. Also a little FYI, the bumpers are done in sections and require the use of a razor on the car...so the installation should only be done by someone who is a pro, well, unless you don't car about cutting lines into your lovely paint job.

 

oh and now

 

=D

 

I tried it first and it doesn't. The curve in the hood alone messes it up. If you are trying the 1" gap like I did this is what happens. At the top of the hood, near the glass you line the stripe up to your mark. Then line the other end up at the front of the hood. The middle of the stripe will be off by 3/4". If you push the middle in so it lines up the stripe at the front of the hood is now 1" past the mark. If you get it completely lined up you have almost 3/4" of material bunched up in the middle and no where to go.

The stripes have to go on dry because they need to be "stretched" into place. Also a little FYI, the bumpers are done in sections and require the use of a razor on the car...so the installation should only be done by someone who is a pro, well, unless you don't car about cutting lines into your lovely paint job. [/b][/quote]
ah.... makes sense! thanks for the tip friend! I have a local decal shop installing mine so I'll make sure they are aware of that issue. They have done stripes for me in the past so I trust them.

about the topic.... ehhh, It's my thread and I got alot of good answers so it's all good. although I think it's been milked dry