hiznherponies

No Gus, I don't think its the flash tool that does the trick. I realize that its the program and whats in the program, and when the SCT software catches up, then I'll show you another flash tool that does the same thing. You know, I've always respected Steeda (and Dario) and understood his philosophy, heck, I've lusted over many of the "Q's", but now I'm starting to sense an arrogance that I don't like, kinda like the SVT Cobra owners give us lesser mortals who just own Mustangs. (Not saying all SVT owners are like this, btw!!)

John

metroplex

Doug

I have spent some time looking over the calibration for the 07 GT w/ manual and I don't really see anything that stands out as being a new "adaptive" system. The knock sensor values/settings all appear to be the same as the older Ford Mustangs with knock sensors unless I am overlooking something, or SCT has locked out access.

RRRoamer

Call me a skeptic. The ECU just doesn't have access to data that would allow it to adjust fuel for optimum A/F in open loop.

Oh well. Time will tell. Hopefully, someone DID come up with a bit of electronic wizardy and this actually works as advertised. That would definitely be VERY nice.

Jeffs08GT

So how exactly does one get this tune and what is the cost? Sorry if missed this, but I can't find anything on the Steeda site.

PonyDNA

Hi John,

Go ahead and keep waiting, I doubt very much that SCT will "catch up" as you say and produce a similar product unless they join the Ford technolgy partnership program. Even then they will be months if not years behind. As it is now SCT can barely keep up with what products they currently have and every new flash tool they have released has had buggy and incomplete software that did not do what they advertised until later firmware updates were relased by which time they were releasing a new buggy product. SCT is the Microsoft of handheld programmers with public betas that they get to pay for. The new Steeda ECU reflashed program is a CARB certified replacement program for the stock ECU and is obviously (to an old school realtime programer) well beyond the simple lookup value table based systems in use today. When Steeda and Ford release their new flash tool this fall they will have the only high performance oriented CARB certified (50 state) flash tool with adaptive performance oriented ECU programming on the market for these cars. With what Ford learns from Steeda they wil be able to use similar techniques with all of their premium engines.

HTH!

PonyDNA

$400

m05fastbackGT

Despite having adaptive tune capabilities, it still remains CARB certified. Meaning that it's going to have the same old conservative tune, as the current 50 state flash tool. In which absolutely does nothing for getting rid of the stock PCM throttle lag/response issues.

metroplex

A few years ago, SCT was the front-runner for tuning Fords due to the experience and knowledge in their personnel (ex-Ford engineers, etc...) but I am not sure where they are now. Steeda's gear does look interesting, but based on some of the discussions and info on the SCT forums, it appears the new adaptive stuff is just marketing hype. If it is applicable for 07-up, I don't see how it wouldn't work for the 96-06 Mustangs with knock sensors because there's nothing special about the PCM or knock sensors that would make it exclusive for 08, UNLESS 08 had specific hardware designed to accomodate the spark advance based on the octane of gasoline used. AFAIK, octane sensors are expensive, so the OEM can only afford some other means of "detecting" the octane of fuel being used.

hiznherponies

Well, I'd rather wait until the prices are brought down by competition from other companies and SCT (b/c I prefer to have a tune by Doug!!) has caught up with the technology. I'm never the first to buy anything, my cellphone is outdated (by 2 years), my computer who knows how outdated it is, I just bought a tuner and intake for my car almost 1 1/2 years after getting the car, waiting doesn't bother me (except for winter to end!!).

John

tifo

The bottom line to me is the dyno numbers. I want to see some numbers with the similar equipment I have. If I'm going to make the same or less HP but only gain the ability to run different octanes wihout a re-tune then I'm not interested. Throttle response has my attention...but I want more HP than I'm getting from my custom-tuned SCT flash.

~Ray

hiznherponies

A couple of questions I have about this "new" technology in tuning are these, why only manual transmissions? I know the PCM controls the automatic too, so why wouldn't this new technology work for automatics? And, I'd like to see what kind of hp and torque is this making? All of this talk about having to send in the PCM now but later there will be a flash tool reminds me of the FRPP/Roushcharger and Saleen superchargers when they first came out. Oh well, we'll see!!

VegasGold

If this was my company...I would have had tests out and the HP gains listed in the ad. That is what everyone wants to see. So why was it not stated???

I know nothing about this new product. Just seems wrong to advertise something so good and no hp numbers with a basic CAI and this new information...I do not know is it me or what???

I am not putting this product down or anything. I just would have shown some gains if it is that Special and must have new product...Yes, I did take Marketing, maybe it is just me...

icemant180

For me, it would require a new PCM about $600, plus the steeda tune $400. So for a $1,000 bucks I get a performance tune that detects my octane too. I can detect what octane is in the car when I fill it. Cost for my detector is $0.00.
I think we all want to see some verification/numbers on this new technology.

ba2

This all sounds like the software that was in my 1998 C5. No Matter what I changed on my car the computer accepted it. It learned how I drove and adapted to it. This ain't rocket science.

Sounds good but I need it for an automatic.

tifo

I found an in-depth article on it from Steeda, but there is no mention of HP gains in the claim of "MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE AT ALL TIMES AND UNDER ALL CONDITIONS!!"

I'm waiting for a TMS member to buy one and give some feedback.

Here is the link: http://www.steeda.com/news/steeda_ne...alibration.php

cosmo

Iam having the Whipple with Adaptive Performance Calibration installed right now on my 08 by powerhouse. Ill let you know how it turns out

tifo

So that's the one from steeda right? Let us know how it works out!

thanks,
Ray

SteedaGus

Here's a link to some track numbers we got over the weekend with a Q500.

http://www.southfloridastangs.net/sfsforum/showthread.php?p=429722#post429722

Gus

tifo

Gus,
Do you have any Dyno numbers for a CAI and the adaptive tune? There must be someone who has them...

~Ray

Centurion96

Is there some way we can get this information without having to set up another login account?

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