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Old 6/24/05 | 07:33 AM
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I called Steeda today about springs and they suggested I get the Ultralite Spring instead of the sport spring. They said that it offers the same drop and everything just at a lighter weight. I also would get a better ride quality. I use my car as a daily driver. The price for both are the same. Does anyone have these and can chime in? Thanks!
Old 6/24/05 | 07:37 AM
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I have the sport springs. I really can't tell the difference between them and the stock ones as far as ride. I didn't change the springs just to lower the car though. I did it due to racing. You will need a good alignment shop though. Some have been told they need camber adjustment plates and a panhard bar to correct the changes. I didn't need either. My alignment is perfect and the rear axle is not out of wack. Do a search on here and you'll find a few threads related to this.
Old 6/24/05 | 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by 169stang@June 24, 2005, 7:40 AM
I have the sport springs. I really can't tell the difference between them and the stock ones as far as ride. I didn't change the springs just to lower the car though. I did it due to racing. You will need a good alignment shop though. Some have been told they need camber adjustment plates and a panhard bar to correct the changes. I didn't need either. My alignment is perfect and the rear axle is not out of wack. Do a search on here and you'll find a few threads related to this.
I've already done a search but couldn't find anything related to the difference between the two springs. I'm assuming the guy from Steeda wasn't feeding me BS about the Ultralite being better. I'm just wondering why it doesn't cost any more money.......
Old 6/24/05 | 02:04 PM
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I'd be interested in the answer to this also seeing as I'm about to buy some.
I wonder how the ultralites give a better ride. BS?
Old 6/25/05 | 11:34 AM
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I would assume that by "better ride", the Steeda rep meant more sporting. If both lower the car the same amount, both cost the same money, and both have the same durability then I would go with the ultra lites to reduce unsprung weight and improve the responsiveness of the suspension. Less weight is almost always desirable. What I don't understand is why they cost the same?
Old 6/26/05 | 08:34 AM
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They are essentially the same kit, one is just a different pound spring. Look up some of the manuf. sites that sell springs and you'll see that they have the same spring kits with a different lbs. spring. One's just stiffer than the next.
Old 6/26/05 | 12:52 PM
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Well I ordered the ultralite spring so I'll let everyone know how it is when I install it this week.
Old 6/29/05 | 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by 169stang@June 24, 2005, 7:40 AM
I have the sport springs. I really can't tell the difference between them and the stock ones as far as ride. I didn't change the springs just to lower the car though. I did it due to racing. You will need a good alignment shop though. Some have been told they need camber adjustment plates and a panhard bar to correct the changes. I didn't need either. My alignment is perfect and the rear axle is not out of wack. Do a search on here and you'll find a few threads related to this.
You didn't need to change the panhard bar? I have read multiple times here that when you drop the rear, even an inch, it moves the rear-end housing to the right and an adjustable pbar is needed to correct it. I would like to lower mine, especially the rear, I just don't have the extra cash to layout for the pbar at this time.
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Old 6/29/05 | 03:57 PM
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When you lower the car, it does change the geometry on the entire rearend. To notice it, you'd have to drop a plumb line and measure to see it. It's not noticeable by eye. The tires are not wearing abnormally and the car doesn't appear to ride cocked when looking at it from behind. I've driven behind it while my wife drove the mustang. I've come to learn that lowering the car will shift the rear axle. I just didn't see the need to buy a panhard bar to correct it. My front end is aligned and it doesn't pull and no irregular tire wear. I take the rear tires off twice a week and put slicks on, so I'm always looking at the tread on them.
Old 6/29/05 | 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by 169stang@June 24, 2005, 7:40 AM
I have the sport springs. I really can't tell the difference between them and the stock ones as far as ride. I didn't change the springs just to lower the car though. I did it due to racing. You will need a good alignment shop though. Some have been told they need camber adjustment plates and a panhard bar to correct the changes. I didn't need either. My alignment is perfect and the rear axle is not out of wack. Do a search on here and you'll find a few threads related to this.
You didn't need to change the panhard bar? I have read multiple times here that when you drop the rear, even an inch, it moves the rear-end housing to the right and an adjustable pbar is needed to correct it. I would like to lower mine, especially the rear, I just don't have the extra cash to layout for the pbar at this time.
jeff

Sorry, double post, got distracted by the phone between clicks :bang:
Old 6/29/05 | 04:00 PM
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Hi guys. Weve been getting alot of questions about our Ultra-lite springs lately. Here is some info on them.

Sport springs give you 1 inch lowering. Spring rate is 200lb front, 175lb rear.

The Ultralite sport springs are also 1 inch lowering, slightly lower spring rate at about 195lb front, 175lb rear. They are also a lighter weight wire for less unsprung weight. This reduces inertia. The slightly softer rate combined with the low inertia make the Ultra-lite sport springs the best choice for ride quality.

The street/comp springs increase the spring rate to 225lb front, 185lb rear. Also about 1 inch lowering.

For reference, factory spring rates are 165lb front 142lb rear for hardtop, 144lb front, 122lb rear on the convertible.

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What's happenin GUS?
Old 6/30/05 | 06:54 AM
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Lots of stuff as usual David Just took a minute from work to check out the boards. Dont always get to do that with the pace around here.

Back to work! Walked in to 58 emails this morning I have to get started on c:
Old 6/30/05 | 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by SteedaGus@June 29, 2005, 4:03 PM
Hi guys. Weve been getting alot of questions about our Ultra-lite springs lately. Here is some info on them.

Sport springs give you 1 inch lowering. Spring rate is 200lb front, 175lb rear.

The Ultralite sport springs are also 1 inch lowering, slightly lower spring rate at about 195lb front, 175lb rear. They are also a lighter weight wire for less unsprung weight. This reduces inertia. The slightly softer rate combined with the low inertia make the Ultra-lite sport springs the best choice for ride quality.

The street/comp springs increase the spring rate to 225lb front, 185lb rear. Also about 1 inch lowering.

For reference, factory spring rates are 165lb front 142lb rear for hardtop, 144lb front, 122lb rear on the convertible.

Gus :drive:
Gus,

I use my car as a daily driver. I might do an autocross or take it to the track once or twice a month. I'm assuming that the Ultralite is perfect for a guy like me because I get better handling without giving up as much ride?
Old 6/30/05 | 02:41 PM
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The Ultra lites will have a very small handling disadvantage to the regular sports due to their slightly softer spring rate. To the average driver, if he drove 2 cars with the different springs back to back the difference would be hard to notice. Technically though the standard sport springs will have a hair better handling and still have very good ride quality.

I would make your decision based on what is more important to you. They are both going to have good ride quality, but if you want as much handling as you can get with a good ride the standard sport springs will be slightly better overall.
Old 7/1/05 | 12:38 AM
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Gus, you priced me the rear sport springs last week. ($69.95 each) Are the Ultra Lites the same price? Also, would it take any longer to ship just the rears? As in, would it be a special order?
Old 7/1/05 | 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by SteedaGus@June 30, 2005, 2:44 PM
The Ultra lites will have a very small handling disadvantage to the regular sports due to their slightly softer spring rate. To the average driver, if he drove 2 cars with the different springs back to back the difference would be hard to notice. Technically though the standard sport springs will have a hair better handling and still have very good ride quality.

I would make your decision based on what is more important to you. They are both going to have good ride quality, but if you want as much handling as you can get with a good ride the standard sport springs will be slightly better overall.
Crap well I already have the ultra lites at my house now. I wish the guy on the phone would have told me that. All I heard was they are the same and that the ultra lites give me the advantage of having less weight. :angry: Oh well I'm just going to put these on.
Old 7/1/05 | 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by bpmurr@July 1, 2005, 11:38 AM
Crap well I already have the ultra lites at my house now. I wish the guy on the phone would have told me that. All I heard was they are the same and that the ultra lites give me the advantage of having less weight. :angry: Oh well I'm just going to put these on.
Theres really nothing to be upset about. Were talking a 5lb difference in spring rate in the front. Realistically if you switched springs, you would not notice the difference from a handling standpoint unless you were Tony Stewart or Charles Espenlaub . Only noticeable difference is the ride.
Old 7/1/05 | 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by StangNut@July 1, 2005, 12:41 AM
Gus, you priced me the rear sport springs last week. ($69.95 each) Are the Ultra Lites the same price? Also, would it take any longer to ship just the rears? As in, would it be a special order?
I can't sell the ultra-lites separately unfortunately. These are bulk shipped from our supplier already packaged. The standard sports are shipped as individuals and we box them here, hence I have individuals I can pull and place in the system. Sorry about that.
Old 7/1/05 | 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by SteedaGus@July 1, 2005, 12:36 PM
Theres really nothing to be upset about. Were talking a 5lb difference in spring rate in the front. Realistically if you switched springs, you would not notice the difference from a handling standpoint unless you were Tony Stewart or Charles Espenlaub . Only noticeable difference is the ride.

You mean I'm not Tony Stewart? LOL


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