Performance chips...thought?
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Yep, I know I'm gonna get laughed at for this one, but that's why my car is back to stock now and I love it. Keeping it simple now. I've spent more than I care to remember on mods, got sick of the issues, and I'm now full circle. Also that my car is my DD now, and I put 400 miles and change on it every week helps too!
Also, pertaining to your thread, no matter what the aftermarket companies say, a CAI must be accompanied by a tune if its going to give any real benefit. If you put a CAI on that doesn't require a tune, then that CAI is not contributing much at all in the way of performance because these '05 and up cars are so sensitive to changes such as increased airflow and their PCM's need to be re calibrated (tuned) to operate properly with the increased airflow such as a CAI provides. If you have a CAI that requires no tune, to me it's not doing anything, and most CAI mfgr's state " tune required" with their product. You can't and should not use one without the other, and if you do not have a tune and put the CAi on, you'll be sure to get some codes. Usually CAI's can be purchased as a package with a pre programmed tuner and a CAI. Also, while we're on the subject, I would look for a 93 octane tune, because the car can be tuned more aggresively as far as engine timing is concerned, so you'll have a faster car. I'm assuming an 87 octane tune will be a more conservative tune, IMHO. This s@&t ain't cheap!
Also, pertaining to your thread, no matter what the aftermarket companies say, a CAI must be accompanied by a tune if its going to give any real benefit. If you put a CAI on that doesn't require a tune, then that CAI is not contributing much at all in the way of performance because these '05 and up cars are so sensitive to changes such as increased airflow and their PCM's need to be re calibrated (tuned) to operate properly with the increased airflow such as a CAI provides. If you have a CAI that requires no tune, to me it's not doing anything, and most CAI mfgr's state " tune required" with their product. You can't and should not use one without the other, and if you do not have a tune and put the CAi on, you'll be sure to get some codes. Usually CAI's can be purchased as a package with a pre programmed tuner and a CAI. Also, while we're on the subject, I would look for a 93 octane tune, because the car can be tuned more aggresively as far as engine timing is concerned, so you'll have a faster car. I'm assuming an 87 octane tune will be a more conservative tune, IMHO. This s@&t ain't cheap!
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Yep, I know I'm gonna get laughed at for this one, but that's why my car is back to stock now and I love it. Keeping it simple now. I've spent more than I care to remember on mods, got sick of the issues, and I'm now full circle. Also that my car is my DD now, and I put 400 miles and change on it every week helps too!
Also, pertaining to your thread, no matter what the aftermarket companies say, a CAI must be accompanied by a tune if its going to give any real benefit. If you put a CAI on that doesn't require a tune, then that CAI is not contributing much at all in the way of performance because these '05 and up cars are so sensitive to changes such as increased airflow and their PCM's need to be re calibrated (tuned) to operate properly with the increased airflow such as a CAI provides. If you have a CAI that requires no tune, to me it's not doing anything, and most CAI mfgr's state " tune required" with their product. You can't and should not use one without the other, and if you do not have a tune and put the CAi on, you'll be sure to get some codes. Usually CAI's can be purchased as a package with a pre programmed tuner and a CAI. Also, while we're on the subject, I would look for a 93 octane tune, because the car can be tuned more aggresively as far as engine timing is concerned, so you'll have a faster car. I'm assuming an 87 octane tune will be a more conservative tune, IMHO. This s@&t ain't cheap!
Also, pertaining to your thread, no matter what the aftermarket companies say, a CAI must be accompanied by a tune if its going to give any real benefit. If you put a CAI on that doesn't require a tune, then that CAI is not contributing much at all in the way of performance because these '05 and up cars are so sensitive to changes such as increased airflow and their PCM's need to be re calibrated (tuned) to operate properly with the increased airflow such as a CAI provides. If you have a CAI that requires no tune, to me it's not doing anything, and most CAI mfgr's state " tune required" with their product. You can't and should not use one without the other, and if you do not have a tune and put the CAi on, you'll be sure to get some codes. Usually CAI's can be purchased as a package with a pre programmed tuner and a CAI. Also, while we're on the subject, I would look for a 93 octane tune, because the car can be tuned more aggresively as far as engine timing is concerned, so you'll have a faster car. I'm assuming an 87 octane tune will be a more conservative tune, IMHO. This s@&t ain't cheap!
To the op. You will get almost the same hp with a cai that requires a tune, with a tune. And a cai not requiring a tune, with a tune.
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I couldn't agree more, as even the stock airbox with a tune will provide improved performance over the factory stock calibration tunes..
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this^^^
think about what the cold air intake and a factory intake do.. look at the location of the air its getting.
yes i know i know.. cold air intake is bigger!! meaning more air!!!
wrong...
what good is a big *** air intake when your throttle body is so small??? and even if you upgrade your tb, you still have your narrow intake ports.. and really small exhaust ports.. so until you upgrade all of that your not gonna get much if any out of a big *** tube they call a cold air intake. the tune is where most of the power is at. that tune they give you doesnt just set the car up for the intake. it changes timing tables. a/f ratios. and a whole lot more. 95% of the power coming from an intake and tune is the tune itself.
and the intake that require a tune are not for the "MASSIVE INCREASE IN AIR INTAKE!". the tune is required for the larger maf size and the different air speed readings across the resistor. nothing more. the pcm is more than capable at compensating for more air flow. hence the use of o2 sensors that control the a/f ratio.
end rant
think about what the cold air intake and a factory intake do.. look at the location of the air its getting.
yes i know i know.. cold air intake is bigger!! meaning more air!!!
wrong...
what good is a big *** air intake when your throttle body is so small??? and even if you upgrade your tb, you still have your narrow intake ports.. and really small exhaust ports.. so until you upgrade all of that your not gonna get much if any out of a big *** tube they call a cold air intake. the tune is where most of the power is at. that tune they give you doesnt just set the car up for the intake. it changes timing tables. a/f ratios. and a whole lot more. 95% of the power coming from an intake and tune is the tune itself.
and the intake that require a tune are not for the "MASSIVE INCREASE IN AIR INTAKE!". the tune is required for the larger maf size and the different air speed readings across the resistor. nothing more. the pcm is more than capable at compensating for more air flow. hence the use of o2 sensors that control the a/f ratio.
end rant
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this^^^
think about what the cold air intake and a factory intake do.. look at the location of the air its getting.
yes i know i know.. cold air intake is bigger!! meaning more air!!!
wrong...
what good is a big *** air intake when your throttle body is so small??? and even if you upgrade your tb, you still have your narrow intake ports.. and really small exhaust ports.. so until you upgrade all of that your not gonna get much if any out of a big *** tube they call a cold air intake. the tune is where most of the power is at. that tune they give you doesnt just set the car up for the intake. it changes timing tables. a/f ratios. and a whole lot more. 95% of the power coming from an intake and tune is the tune itself.
and the intake that require a tune are not for the "MASSIVE INCREASE IN AIR INTAKE!". the tune is required for the larger maf size and the different air speed readings across the resistor. nothing more. the pcm is more than capable at compensating for more air flow. hence the use of o2 sensors that control the a/f ratio.
end rant