I'VE NOTICED...0-60 times don't really matter?
Coming from a BMW background and several M3 forums, I have literally grown up with 0-60 times floating around my brain. I've JUST started to realize, though, that on the TMS forums, NO ONE really talks about 0-60 times!!!
Are they really not important to anyone? I mean, I never go to tracks to even care about my 1/4 or 1/8 mile, but 0-60 times always come in handy at the red light stops (
)....
I'm assuming I have a 5.5ish 0-60 time with my mods below....adding weight to my car with NO performance mods, and an A/T transmission.
If I were to add a simple tune from Bamachips or AltAuto, what do you guys think I could see as far as my times go? And how about other simple mods? What changes will I see?
///Chris
Are they really not important to anyone? I mean, I never go to tracks to even care about my 1/4 or 1/8 mile, but 0-60 times always come in handy at the red light stops (
)....I'm assuming I have a 5.5ish 0-60 time with my mods below....adding weight to my car with NO performance mods, and an A/T transmission.
If I were to add a simple tune from Bamachips or AltAuto, what do you guys think I could see as far as my times go? And how about other simple mods? What changes will I see?
///Chris
The first thing I learned about racing when I got my first car is no one cares about 0-60 times..=) I think it stems from the fact that there are no professional 0-60 races, and a drag strip measures your quartermile time, not 0-60 time.
The only time I mention 0-60 times is when I'm bragging to people who don't know anything about drag racing or cars in general...
The only time I mention 0-60 times is when I'm bragging to people who don't know anything about drag racing or cars in general...
I know a couple of the big car mag's such as Car and Driver and Road and Track did track tests on the 05 GT's, and their 0-60 times were around 4.7-5.0 seconds if I am not mistaken with a stock GT.
Your car is definetly slower than its stock state, because of the weight (wheels, kit, sub, etc.) but thats the price you pay for a wicked looking stang
Get a tune and an intake and it will make up the lost power and some
Sorry, don't have any times for ya though
Your car is definetly slower than its stock state, because of the weight (wheels, kit, sub, etc.) but thats the price you pay for a wicked looking stang
Get a tune and an intake and it will make up the lost power and some
Sorry, don't have any times for ya though
My car is a 2006 GT hardtop with the automatic transmission, and it has every last option available so it's about as heavy as they come out of the factory.
At around 2000 miles, I made two passes using a G-Tech meter to see what the 0-60 was. Both runs came in at exactly 5.04 seconds totally stock. When my last mod gets here and I get everything tuned in 3-4 weeks, I will do some comparison runs to see how it improved.
At around 2000 miles, I made two passes using a G-Tech meter to see what the 0-60 was. Both runs came in at exactly 5.04 seconds totally stock. When my last mod gets here and I get everything tuned in 3-4 weeks, I will do some comparison runs to see how it improved.
Chris you car has some extra weight on it so it will be a tad slower than a stock car, especially with the bigger wheels. If you don't want to buy a tuner you can pick up a K&N air charger and TB spacer for $300. Those will make a huge difference and you will grin from ear to ear. They're both real easy to put in and won't set off your check engine light.
If you buy a tuner, I would go SCT. Since you're in LA, I'm sure there's SCT tuning places around there.
I agree what others said about 0-60 times, they are for posers. Track times are for real car guys. Trap time, trap speed and 60' is the real way to judge a car. If I were only concerned about 0-60, I would put 4.56 gears or higher in my car
If you buy a tuner, I would go SCT. Since you're in LA, I'm sure there's SCT tuning places around there.
I agree what others said about 0-60 times, they are for posers. Track times are for real car guys. Trap time, trap speed and 60' is the real way to judge a car. If I were only concerned about 0-60, I would put 4.56 gears or higher in my car
1/4 miles and 0-60 times are also based on culture. Europeans and to a lesser extent Canadians are more into 0-60 or 0-100kph and Americans rely more on 1/4 miles... Both are good ways to evaluate acceleration, IMHO, but 1/4 miles are better in some ways: most cars will accelerate to 60 in 2nd gear, but the ones that require an upshift to 3rd are penalized by 0-60 times, not so in a 1/4 mile. But in a stoplight race, you would have lost !
Originally posted by HolyPony!@October 26, 2005, 10:39 AM
1/4 miles and 0-60 times are also based on culture. Europeans and to a lesser extent Canadians are more into 0-60 or 0-100kph and Americans rely more on 1/4 miles... Both are good ways to evaluate acceleration, IMHO, but 1/4 miles are better in some ways: most cars will accelerate to 60 in 2nd gear, but the ones that require an upshift to 3rd are penalized by 0-60 times, not so in a 1/4 mile. But in a stoplight race, you would have lost !
1/4 miles and 0-60 times are also based on culture. Europeans and to a lesser extent Canadians are more into 0-60 or 0-100kph and Americans rely more on 1/4 miles... Both are good ways to evaluate acceleration, IMHO, but 1/4 miles are better in some ways: most cars will accelerate to 60 in 2nd gear, but the ones that require an upshift to 3rd are penalized by 0-60 times, not so in a 1/4 mile. But in a stoplight race, you would have lost !
I've always used 0-60 times as a bench for cars. I've grown up reading Motor Trend and Car & Driver since I was way too young to drive. They all based their performance numbers off 0-60. I guess I'm still trained to look at that number first. I now pay more attention to 1/4 times, but I still keep the 0-60 #'s in my head.
1/4 mile times IMO are a better overall measure of a car's performance. Power and gearing through the first 3-4 gears are included in this measure. Plus, most races do not end at 60mph.
However, regarding shifting..... having to shift just before 60 or before the 1/4 can both affect times. Therefore its not always completely clear which is faster if you are talking .2 sec in the 1/4 or 0-60.
0-60 is a good measure of stoplight to stoplight power and the cars "fun-factor" to drive. Typically cars with good 0-60 times have a lot of torque.
On a related subject, Europeans seem to be more concerned with top speed and cornering grip while in North America, those numbers are second to straight line performance (in most cases).
However, regarding shifting..... having to shift just before 60 or before the 1/4 can both affect times. Therefore its not always completely clear which is faster if you are talking .2 sec in the 1/4 or 0-60.
0-60 is a good measure of stoplight to stoplight power and the cars "fun-factor" to drive. Typically cars with good 0-60 times have a lot of torque.
On a related subject, Europeans seem to be more concerned with top speed and cornering grip while in North America, those numbers are second to straight line performance (in most cases).
I look at both. People always want to know what kind of power a car has when they come up and talk to you. And unless you are on a Mustang, Camaro or Corvette forum, most people have little undertanding what the quarter mile is or what a good time and speed even are, so I might at well be speaking Japanese when I tell them. So when not on this forum, I would need to give a 0-60 for most people to understand how fast the car is, because that is something that everyone can relate to.
I do think that the quarter mile gives a better or more detailed idea of a cars power and ability for those of us who are used to seeing quarter mile times, in comparison to 0-60 times however.
Also, when screwing around on city and surface streets, I don't think it is too often most of us get over 100 MPH like you would in the quarter mile. So, as mentioned before, I think the 0-60 gives us a better idea of how we would perform in a stoplight to stoplight situation, which I would bet is more common when on public roads.
I do think that the quarter mile gives a better or more detailed idea of a cars power and ability for those of us who are used to seeing quarter mile times, in comparison to 0-60 times however.
Also, when screwing around on city and surface streets, I don't think it is too often most of us get over 100 MPH like you would in the quarter mile. So, as mentioned before, I think the 0-60 gives us a better idea of how we would perform in a stoplight to stoplight situation, which I would bet is more common when on public roads.
Yup most of you are right. See, I'm not disagreeing with the fact that 1/4 times ARENT more important, I'm just saying that I'm USED to seeing 1/4 times a lot more, AND since I don't really go to a track OR keep my foot on the pedal for an actual 1/4 mile...0-60 times really play a big role for ME.
Thanks for all the helpful comments, though!
Thanks for all the helpful comments, though!
Based on that calculator, my 0-60 is 4.64 sec.
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Based on that calculator, my 0-60 is 4.64 sec.
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A few weeks ago, I bought a used G-Timer from one of the members here. I played with it on the street a couple times (mainly to see how it worked), and then took it to the track a couple weeks ago. I made three runs with it, and it was within a couple hundredths of a second on each run compared to the timeslip. So, that convinced me that it was surprisingly accurate (actually, much better than I expected).
After each run, I also checked what it recorded as my 0-60mph times. In all three cases, it was in the low 4.60-sec range... not unlike the number I got using the calculator from wallaceracing.com above. Again, I'm actually surprised that the numbers jive like they do.
[Note: I didn't use the G-Timer on more runs, because trying to calibrate it while I was staging distracted me, and my RTs suffered... so I stopped messing with it.]



