05stangkc

Hello,

This weekend I was on assignment for TMS Covering the Champ Car Races in Long Beach Ca. Showcasing The GT/CS and The FAST LAP GT/CS Pace cars! I had the opportunity to Express to Ford exec's How FORD Owners want Power With a Warranty! I was told That The FRPP Mustang Supercharger was due in 60 Days and That Ford wanted to Offer the Supercharger when installed at the Dealer with a Parts and Labor Warranty! I knew when I saw the Power Pack Items in the Dealer e Source Book that something was up! Nothing is finalized as far as the Warranty Details but it shows Ford is really trying to cater to the Mustang Crowd! Cross your Fingers!!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/04.gif[/img]


KC!!!!!!!!!!!

max2000jp

Sounds like it just covers the supercharger and the cost to install it. That doesn't do much good if anything else breaks or the engine goes boom.

05stangkc

No It Protects the Powertrain Also! Sorry if I was Unclear!

outdoorstom

This is very exciting news indeed! Wonder what that'll bump the HP up too? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img]

Tilt

Awesome news. Hopefully, Ford can pull this off. I'd get one ASAP if it kept my factory warranty.

T

harry.l.toomey

That would be sweeeeeet. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumb.gif[/img]

gt6974a

yeah, hp is a must. heck, 6K+ for 400rwhp (manual) isn't impressive which is what I would guess they would do to be conservative with the tune

wsmatau

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gt6974a @ April 13, 2006, 1:47 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
yeah, hp is a must. heck, 6K+ for 400rwhp (manual) isn't impressive which is what I would guess they would do to be conservative with the tune
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Check Whipple's website for detaills about the S/C. I believe their kit is putting down 490/450 on 91 octane at 10 psi. If this kit is available with a warrantee I'll buy it in a heartbeat! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]

Tony Alonso

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05stangkc @ April 11, 2006, 10:44 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I knew when I saw the Power Pack Items in the Dealer e Source Book that something was up!
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Does that mean if the current Power Pack was installed on a car that the engine would still have warranty coverage if there was a problem? I have not seen that on the FRPP website. That would be excellent!

qwik huh

I wouldn't hold your breath. Ford has offered several superchargers before and they NEVER have covered powertrain failure and I can't see how they ever could. If the car was meant to have a supercharger it would come from Ford that way, like the 03 Cobra and the upcoming GT-500. The rods, etc Ford used in the 05-06 are too weak to warranty when used with a blower. Just MHO

05stangkc

I would say that FORD would only offer a Horsepower Level the engine would live at for Warranty Coverage.

kc

outdoorstom

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wsmatau @ April 13, 2006, 5:58 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Check Whipple's website for detaills about the S/C. I believe their kit is putting down 490/450 on 91 octane at 10 psi. If this kit is available with a warrantee I'll buy it in a heartbeat! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]
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I'd venture a guess that Ford wouldn't go over 6 psi.....

wsmatau

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05stangkc @ April 13, 2006, 1:14 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I would say that FORD would only offer a Horsepower Level the engine would live at for Warranty Coverage.

kc
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Are you saying that you think Ford will downgrade the Whipple S/C in the Super Power Pack to a lower horsepower than Whipple is advertising? I have followed the developement of this kit very closely over the past year. I know that Dustin at Whipple is confident that the numbers on their website are "production" numbers. I personally think that it may be a bit much for a stock longblock (I was thinking 8psi max) but he maintains that they did the R&D to handle it including extensive work with the FRPP engineers to remap the timing tables, A/F ratio, etc.
Another theory may be to have the 6psi non-intercooled version as a warrented item. It only puts out 405rwhp (only [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/lol.gif[/img] ).
This is at the top of my list either way.

gt6974a

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gt6974a @ April 13, 2006, 3:47 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
yeah, hp is a must. heck, 6K+ for 400rwhp (manual) isn't impressive which is what I would guess they would do to be conservative with the tune
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wsmatau @ April 13, 2006, 6:58 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Check Whipple's website for detaills about the S/C. I believe their kit is putting down 490/450 on 91 octane at 10 psi. If this kit is available with a warrantee I'll buy it in a heartbeat! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]
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I'm not saying it can do it, I'm saying they won't do it....just as kevin implies.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05stangkc @ April 13, 2006, 3:14 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I would say that FORD would only offer a Horsepower Level the engine would live at for Warranty Coverage.

kc
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swap a pulley out and/or tune, and bam, no more warranty
i.e. 6K+ for ford supercharger isn't worth it.
Just get a reputable shop to do it right the first time and put the 450 down.

wsmatau

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gt6974a @ April 13, 2006, 3:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
swap a pulley out and/or tune, and bam, no more warranty
i.e. 6K+ for ford supercharger isn't worth it.
Just get a reputable shop to do it right the first time and put the 450 down.
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I think you might have missed my point. Whipple has the S/C ready and it puts out these numbers at 10psi. Whipple says it is bone stock reliable (who knows?). If FRPP puts this kit out as advertised on Whipple's website and are willing to warrant it, it is worth every penny of $6000. Why would you even try to repully the car. It will kick the heck out of virtually any other stocker out there.

nonsensez9

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wsmatau @ April 13, 2006, 3:58 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Check Whipple's website for detaills about the S/C. I believe their kit is putting down 490/450 on 91 octane at 10 psi. If this kit is available with a warrantee I'll buy it in a heartbeat! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]
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What, Ford offering a $6000 upgrade to a GT that will spank a GT500??? I'm not inclined to think so. I'm thinking 400rwhp at best.

wsmatau

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nonsensez9 @ April 13, 2006, 6:11 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
What, Ford offering a $6000 upgrade to a GT that will spank a GT500??? I'm not inclined to think so. I'm thinking 400rwhp at best.
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I'm guessing at which kit will be possibly offerred with a warranty. You may be right that they only offer the non-intercooled kit that "only" puts out 405rwhp with the warranty(although I think an intercooled kit---even at 6 psi---is much more "warranty friendly". But the HO kit definitely is ready for production and is produced in conjunction with FRPP. It is a beast. It was originally supposed to be on the Shelby, but Whipple canceled/lost its contract with Lysholm and had a major supply problem that wouldn't allow them to continue with the shelby project and have it completed according to Ford's timeline. Now imagine the Shelby with a Whipple up on top! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/drool.gif[/img]
This new compressor is supposed to be even better than the older 2300 model. That, with the weight savings, of a GT over the Shelby should produce some interesting comparisons. Of course the Shelby will have a forged bottom end and tons more potential right off the showroom floor.
But if Ford does offer this HO kit as a warrented item (I can dream can't I?) I don't see why anyone would look elsewhere. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/worship.gif[/img]

Mustangfreak

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wsmatau @ April 13, 2006, 4:58 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Check Whipple's website for detaills about the S/C. I believe their kit is putting down 490/450 on 91 octane at 10 psi. If this kit is available with a warrantee I'll buy it in a heartbeat! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif[/img]
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same here!

mustangfan123

If people want real hp,ford should make a ford racing supercharger that produces 575-625rwhp as a top model s/c.Then a 475-525rwhp s/c as a middle class one.Then a base one with 375-425rwhp.[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img] Just my idea.Its kinda like the saleen options.You know 330hp,then 435hp,and next 550hp.

ford4v429

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mustangfan123 @ April 13, 2006, 8:45 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
If people want real hp,ford should make a ford racing supercharger that produces 575-625rwhp as a top model s/c.Then a 475-525rwhp s/c as a middle class one.Then a base one with 375-425rwhp.[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img] Just my idea.Its kinda like the saleen options.You know 330hp,then 435hp,and next 550hp.
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the only differences in these might be pullies. and engine life. General consensus seems to be 4~450 hp&ft/lb limit for the powder metal stock rods. upping boost is easy, not blowing the bottom end onto the pavement is another issue...buying a low pressure blower will get you good increases, but to get to the 'wow' levels, you would really need to buy a steel crank and forged rods/pistons(likely just an assembled shortblock), just to make certain the motor wont grenade first time you step on it hard.