Kyle,
An interesting philosophy. . . . I hope you don't mind if I don't share it.


David,
The numbers are certainly aggressive, but still, if you look at the graph, the torque peak has moved to the right (from a stocker) about 700 or 800 rpm's. That is exactly what I would expect a from a set of cams with longer duration. From that point of view, it does look like a believable graph.
My main trouble point is they seem to have used the stock fuel pump and stock injectors. I'm not sure if those stock units have enough capacity to support that kind of power. Maybe they do


The Boss Hog

 

The Boss Hog, the pump will support those numbers. I used my stock pump on the S/C with 404 rwhp. However, I agree with you on the injectors - I just don't know if they will or won't work for those numbes.

At this point, I am trusting Blow-By Racing only becuase my experiences wtih them as a customer and all the advise Chris has given me has been great. Lets hope they goto a new, non-biased dyno shop for one more test to help lay this to rest

-Bryan

 

As I'm pretty much on the same wave length as you guys....I never said I don't think it's possible or that they are blowing smoke. I'm saying that I want objective #'s. That's all. I just want to see facts. Nothing more. 384rwhp N/A is some very respectable numbers on 93 PUMP GAS. I was told pump gas though. Imagine if they had 93 in the car and went to have it dynoed at a 3rd party and pulled those numbers...all those 4V guys would soil themselves. That would mean that the aftermarket has taken the 3V alot further, faster, than the 2V.

 

I personally am not looking for 400HP at the wheels. I'm not trying to blow my engine, or the injectors, etc. I would like to replace the stock camshaft with the BBR performance cams... for hopefully a 25HP or so increase (trying to get 350HP at the wheels). For those who know, how hard is it to replace the camshaft on this engine. Is this something I could do on my own, or get a mechanic to do? And if I need to get someone else to do it, how much $$ are we talking?

Any advice on this would be great. Let's talk about the logistics of installing these cams (and heads)... then we can all get back to the arguing over HP numbers.

 

Yeah, I would be interested to hear how hard this is to do for the everyday person. I agree with you Ian about having a decent amount of power but not putting the motor in trouble.

BTW Johnny, what affect have the heads and cams done to the MPG?

 

Inexperienced people should NOT attempt a cam swap here. One wrong move and tiny parts could be lost forever in the engine or worse.

Don't do it.

 

cam swap could be done if you have the know how... but if it isn't something you have touched before, let a mechanic do it.


As for the MPG, they were not effected as much I thought is was going to be... got to actually drive it normal to figure that out... all it's really had since the completion was dyno time... so thats all hardcore rumping on the motor... of course that'll suck down some fuel. LOL

 

That discussion is getting very interesting. Can't wait to find out one way or another who is right. With all the claims BBR has been putting up, this will finally "make them or break them."

 

This should be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

^^^ I don't understand what you mean

-Bryan

 

I just put a deposit on custom P&P heads and a custon cam for my 05. I should be dropping it off in 2 weeks and itll take about 2 weeks to complete... so... ill have some legit dynojet numbers in the near future for a similar setup

 

How wil lthat make them or break them? BBR has their fair share of customers. Just b/c one **** ***** that gets some odd ball info from the guy that built his car... He thinks he is god and that all he says is right. The guy that built Fourcam330's car is located in Stuart, Fl. The same place that he wants us to take the car to get dyno'd. I forget the shops name, but the guy is supposedly great with building mod motors. Well, he has never built a 3V motor and doesn't know what they are capable of either... yet he is mouthing off stating that 3V's can't make power... i'll tell you what, the 3V can't make the same power as a 4V, but it sure can hold it's own agains't them.

But we'll all see what their dyno says once we get the car there... Nothing will be done until after sema and P.R.I. So it'll happen in about 6 weeks.

Wish it could be sooner, but that just how it is. SEMA and PRI are a little more important than winning a bet.

 

Wow man, how much time have you actually had the car out of the shop or away from shows. I would have gone insane, but it would be cool to own a car shown at SEMA.

 

I have a feeling he's going to have a list of excuses for when it DOES make the numbers. I don't know what the secret behind these 3v motors is but it's starting to make me think about going n/a in the long run.

 

The 3v is NOT the 2v or 4v
It was built with a purpose, and has some tricks up its sleeve I'm sure...
And if can remember someone on team mustang quoting 'if we got anything right on this car, its definately the motor'

I'm a realist, I like to see real numbers...well...objective numbers...
Not saying it won't happen at all, just like to see it.

It's hard to say what it can and can't do if you've never worked on one

 

I know guys... and I can't wait to get it back on a dyno to prove him wrong.

I just wish I was there for the original pulls. I would be able to back it up more. But I wasn't. I was on vacation w/ my g/f and Chris brought the car up to SCT on his own time to do this. Which was very cool of him.

It's just ashame that even with proof, people don't beleive it. If it was some big name company like SHM, VT Engines or Pauls High Performance... people would have no problem beleiving those numbers... but b/c BBR is such a small new company, no one wants to beleive them. It really is sad, but for those of you who have delt with BBR and know Chris, you all know that he know's his stuff and for those of you that have really done your research on these 3V motors, you all know that the potential HP in these motors is incredible.

I don't think that 384 rwhp is that unbeleiveable. heck, Look at Sean Hylands site... they were claiming I think it was roughly the same numbers, give or take w/ just their ported heads. I guess that FourCam guy over looked that

 

Woah, now that you mention it, those are the exact same numbers that SHM has had no their site for months now. I remember seeing that awhile back, with just about the exact same things too.

 

mods are identical... just minus the cams.

their numbers were from an engine dyno w/out cams ours was with a mustang dyno w/ cams.

I can honestly beleive that cams + a great tune can pick up 30-40 horsepower. The tune alone by playing with the VCT according to SCT and Diablo is worth a good 15 horsepower by itself.

 

Interesting, definately more in the 3v then some expected and others hoped.

 

What proof??

New company has nothing to do with it, why so defensive??
I dont think your in any position to insult people, theres no need for it.... If u want the drama to end, take them up on the offer @ the corral and have it tested with a 3rd party. What's the harm in that??

Whoever hasnt read that corral thread should...

gezzz...its just like an up or down vote...just do it, dont philabuster it! lol

Im tired of reading this thread here and @ every other mustang forum out there on the WEB. Yea...I could not read it, but Im waiting for the numbers to be backed up.If im going to spend money, I would like to know..wheres the harm in that, thats the root to all this drama, people want to know for sure...
So keep the insults in the garage and in person, its easy to be "tough" on line with words, but does it make things any better? I think not.

As for SHM, U shure U got that right?? Isnt that at the crank? ? Hmmm...lol