first a little history.

i come from a drag racing backround (read street racing, untill my car went 145 in the quarter)
as we got older, our cars got faster, to the point that it was getting crazy to race on the street.

most of the local BIG cars can run in the 9's or quicker. doing that on the street is at best dangerous
and at the worst killing yourself or others.(ok i might sound "old" but.....)

building a car to go road racing makes the car, and you, better equipped to survive that jerk who pulls out in front of you from the burger king ect.(read big, grippy front tires, bigger brakes, able to turn corners at speed, ect.)

bact to the history thing, i got worried about that danger factor and converted my drag car to a road race car,(granted i have a world class road race track 20 minutes from my front door but......) i've driven vipers/z06 vetts/bmw m3/m6's /tons of sn95 mustangs, my son had an 02 stage 2 Roush/more than one ferrari 355's/360's/ testerossa's ect.

now i get my satin silver 06 gt and after doing 25 or 30 laps at the track in 40 degree weather(with ony 300 miles on the car so i used a self imposed 4500 rpm limit) the car is really quick. i ran laps 5/6 seconds a lap faster than my kids Roush, and that with the 235/50/18 kdws "snow tires" on the car,the Roush had 275/40/17 kdw's.

am i the only one interested in turning corners?
i hope not, the new car is way to good out of the box to turn it into a drag car!!

i hope that the mods read this and start a road race section for the performance forum

anyone else???
i hope so......


jay

 

your comments read like you actually condone street racing.

Now, most of us here do leave our true racing to the track only, be it road coursing or striping [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

It really doesnt matter how you build your car up for speed and handling, leave racing on the street out of it.

-Dan

 

I'm a quarter man myself. There are drags and there are tracks. The S-197s are good at drags with a little setup, but they are kind of fat on cornering.

There's quite a few things (read: $$$) that needs to be added for the S-197s to make it good for track. We'd need to stiffen the frame with control arms, change the brakes, suspensions, lighten the curb weight, etc...

I also think quite a few people who read these forums are weekend warriors and they enjoy the relative safety of running 1/4s once in a while. When you run track, there's a lot more at risk, including potential damage to our beloved vehicles. I'd try track if I knew everyone who participated knew it was for fun and not a real race and if everyone has taken an advanced driving course.

And, I never, ever, ever, race in the streets, 1/4 or otherwise. I love life too much.

 

dan.....

im 44 years old, please re-read my post?

where does it , in any way, condone street racing??


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jay

 

i love to do both but my street racing days are long over after a crash a friend of mine had while racing me and it totalled his 88 gt and the camaro he hit (luckily noone was seriously hurt)

after i saw that i vowed never to street race again, track only.

But tkogt i love road racing and i share your intrest in learning more about make a stang turn better in the corners

 

perhaps you should re-read your own post. Your age proves nothing btw.

-Dan

 

Yes I share your interest in road racing (ignore the idiots that can't read). I would definitely like to make the 05 a better handling car not just a straight line performer. I am pretty much done with power mods.

 

I read your post twice, where does it say you condone street racing ????????????????????????

 

Cleveland, you mischaracterize the man's post and it's not the first time. You are now to be known as the "OFFICIOUS INTERMEDDLER".

Sincerely,

Los Angeles

 

ok....

street racing is bad( in any form) i kinda said that but....

when my 1927 ford roadster went 145 i was 27 years old.(and at that time i had unprotected sex)

if any of you thought that i was condoneing street racing in any way, im sorry.
we all make mistakes.

the point of my post was that if you build your car to road race, its makes for a safer street car.

drag cars dont turn/stop/ or do anything else but go fast in a straight line,very good.

as far as taking out my pass seat/spare tire/ sway bar/ect.

you might as well take off the brakes ?? all that cast iron is really heavy!!!!


jay

 

The idea behind his post is that he loves the road race.. the twisties, the corners, the g-force... I didnt take away the "stop light to stop light quarter ricer kill" feel from it at all. I have to say, I make it to the track probably less than 10 times a year. While I LOVE each and every pass, I have to say I spend much more time on the road. Handling is of great importance to me -not only because of saftey but fun factor. The drag strip is fun, but nothing beats blasting the heck out of some mountain curves; which is the only way I can relate. If you have a road course near your house, I encourage you to use it all you can! Im with 'ya on that one.

 

I like drag racing, but open track events are so much better. Drag racing lasts a short time and isn't challenging to me. I prefer braking hard, apexing the turn, then powering out. The S197 platform is competent, but I am still waiting for hardcore products from companies like MM to come out.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kilmar @ February 21, 2006, 10:26 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
. When you run track, there's a lot more at risk, including potential damage to our beloved vehicles. I'd try track if I knew everyone who participated knew it was for fun and not a real race and if everyone has taken an advanced driving course.

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kilman,

we have every new member take an orienation class to learn the track rules.(no passing in the corners ect)

oh ya and , i teach the class!!!

the track is designed so that unless something goes way wrong you can go off and just slide to a stop.
(read no walls or baracades to run into) you may need to wash the car, and your undies, but unless something goes way wrong you cant damage your car by hitting anything( ive been off at 165 mph and just needed to wash the car ,and my undies) in 4 years we have had no car to car wrecks, and we hope to keep it that way.

we run the hi-po club "races" every other wednesday in the summer months

if ANY of you are interested in coming out to the track i can hook you up with discounted track school and a
day at the track

see my sig


jay

 

tkogt
"when my 1927 ford roadster went 145 i was 27 years old.(and at that time i had unprotected sex)"

Unprotected sex at 145? That sounds like fun. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/lol.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lennyb44 @ February 21, 2006, 10:12 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
tkogt
"when my 1927 ford roadster went 145 i was 27 years old.(and at that time i had unprotected sex)"

Unprotected sex at 145? That sounds like fun. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/lol.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrinjester.gif[/img]
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The "Flying Mile Club"... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/lol.gif[/img]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(don_w @ February 22, 2006, 12:13 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The "Flying Mile Club"... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/lol.gif[/img]
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ok i needed that,
as you can see i now only drive with my helmet on???

 

I'm a big fan of roadracing, my suspension setup and wallet can attest to that.
Even though I ran over 550 1/4 mile passes this past season my car is still setup more for handling since it is my true love.

The beauty of drag racing is its' relative safety and knowing you can go in the evening after work for a couple of hours take 10 minutes to swap tires and be ready to run.
The other nice thing about drag racing is its instant gratification. Once you cross the line you already know who the winner is.
It also gives a good indication of the improvements made by different modifications such as CAI, tuning , U/D pulleys, and exhaust.

We have some local road courses in our areas but the trouble is it's a monday night type of situation where you're running against anything that anyone brings including 84VW GTI track car (read beater without 1 undented panel).

I prefer to run in a much more structured environment such as PCA or the BMW Advanced Driver Education program which I will be participating in this season. The difference here is that the car must be brought to a recognized mechanic to pass tech inspection in the week leading up to an event.
The BMW club also requires you to complete their ground school and a short track day before being allowed to run with them on a high speed roadcourse.
It is also stressed that it is not a race and anyone caught timing their laps can be asked to leave. It should also be known that quite a few of the people have track or GPS based datalogging systems in their cars.

The events are usually an all weekend affair with prices of $150-$300 for the event itself.
Add to that gas, food, lodging, and consumables such as brakes and tires and you easily burn up $1000-$1500 in a weekend.
This seriously limits the amount of your friends who will come join you on a fun filled weekend.

At the same time my friend will require a rollbar in his relatively stock 03 GT vert for a roadcourse while he will not require one till he hits 11.49 on the 1/4 mile.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(thump_rrr @ February 22, 2006, 12:54 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I'm a big fan of roadracing, my suspension setup and wallet can attest to that.
Even though I ran over 550 1/4 mile passes this past season my car is still setup more for handling since it is my true love.


We have some local road courses in our areas but the trouble is it's a monday night type of situation where you're running against anything that anyone brings including 84VW GTI track car (read beater without 1 undented panel).

I prefer to run in a much more structured environment such as PCA or the BMW Advanced Driver Education program which I will be participating in this season. The difference here is that the car must be brought to a recognized mechanic to pass tech inspection in the week leading up to an event.
The BMW club also requires you to complete their ground school and a short track day before being allowed to run with them on a high speed roadcourse.
It is also stressed that it is not a race and anyone caught timing their laps can be asked to leave. It should also be known that quite a few of the people have track or GPS based datalogging systems in their cars.

The events are usually an all weekend affair with prices of $150-$300 for the event itself.
Add to that gas, food, lodging, and consumables such as brakes and tires and you easily burn up $1000-$1500 in a weekend.
This seriously limits the amount of your friends who will come join you on a fun filled weekend.

At the same time my friend will require a rollbar in his relatively stock 03 GT vert for a roadcourse while he will not require one till he hits 11.49 on the 1/4 mile.
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well said....but

i can take my family to a movie for $35 or wait for the dvd to come out and buy it for $25 and watch it in my $50k home theater(i like the ht thing better, but to each his own)

im a pca/bmw/vette/viper/ name it/ certified instructor so i know the program.

no one said it was going to be cheap

its like haveing a $20 cover at the local club (it keeps the wantabe's out) but if you have $20 and want to learn to dance..........

if your friends cant play tell them to get a new job

j/k

i understand that a lot of the tracks charge huge $$$ to play

but we are trying to make it afforable by keeping membership dues to less than every other track in the country that offers a club program(the track in chicago charges 25K per year and daily track dues of $75.00) we charge $350 per year and $40 daily track dues

and we dont require anything other than a helmet/ a fire extinguisher/seat belts for our members to play

and we ask our participants to time their laps, so we can gauge the improvements they make


jay

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tkogt @ February 22, 2006, 2:52 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
well said....but

i can take my family to a movie for $35 or wait for the dvd to come out and buy it for $25 and watch it in my $50k home theater(i like the ht thing better, but to each his own)

im a pca/bmw/vette/viper/ name it/ certified instructor so i know the program.

no one said it was going to be cheap

its like haveing a $20 cover at the local club (it keeps the wantabe's out) but if you have $20 and want to learn to dance..........

if your friends cant play tell them to get a new job

j/k

i understand that a lot of the tracks charge huge $$$ to play

but we are trying to make it afforable by keeping membership dues to less than every other track in the country that offers a club program(the track in chicago charges 25K per year and daily track dues of $75.00) we charge $350 per year and $40 daily track dues

and we dont require anything other than a helmet/ a fire extinguisher/seat belts for our members to play

and we ask our participants to time their laps, so we can gauge the improvements they make
jay
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I think you misunderstood my first point. I prefer the higher entrance fees and tech inspections. It keeps it down to a core group of enthusiasts.

Like I said
"We have some local road courses in our areas but the trouble is it's a monday night type of situation where you're running against anything that anyone brings including 84VW GTI track car (read beater without 1 undented panel).

I prefer to run in a much more structured environment such as PCA or the BMW Advanced Driver Education program which I will be participating in this season."

I was merely pointing out why drag racing is so popular.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(thump_rrr @ February 22, 2006, 2:29 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I think you misunderstood my first point. I prefer the higher entrance fees and tech inspections. It keeps it down to a core group of enthusiasts.

Like I said
"We have some local road courses in our areas but the trouble is it's a monday night type of situation where you're running against anything that anyone brings including 84VW GTI track car (read beater without 1 undented panel).

I prefer to run in a much more structured environment such as PCA or the BMW Advanced Driver Education program which I will be participating in this season."

I was merely pointing out why drag racing is so popular.
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you are correct i misunderstood

we do on the otherhand encourage everyone to come out to play

last year on two seperate wednesdays we had randy ruleman(sp?) running around with our clubmembers

randy drives for derhrig racing (sp?) out of mpls minn

imagine the joy of our club members when they were getting dusted by a million dollar trans am car that, by the way, ended up in the top half of the field in points last year!!

also one of our members has an old v-dub track car so i may have over reacted in my responce to your post.

it was late, i should have been in bed!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dunno.gif[/img]


jay