Originally Posted by tu3218

That's a lot of good information. Thanks for that. Just a question concerning "weather conditions". I receive my tunes from bama through american muscle. I don't remember exactly if I had to put in my area code or where I live, but is that something they code into the file when creating my tunes? I ask because when I flash my tunes on my car, at some point there is an option to edit additional settings. I have never clicked that and wondering if that would be found there, to alter weather. I wouldn't think that sort of information would be there but just wondering.

Originally Posted by AMChrisRose

Knock retard does not have to be touched to make more power. As a matter of fact, it's a good practice to keep the ability for the PCM to retard timing, for safety. Air/fuel ratio is changed, but still kept conservative. We don't run 13 air/fuel ratio on anything we send out, for example. That's not too lean for some, but for us - it is. I'm not going to get into the hardcore details, but we optimize variable cam timing, WOT air/fuel ratio, timing advance depending on your octane and elevation/area of the country, etc. None of these are changed enough to where a customer would have a negative impact on longevity, let alone running them "to the edge".

So I guess I should re-iterate... "leaner" than stock. Yes. "Lean", no. The proper wording would be "not as rich as a stock tune", because the stock tune is past the point of conservative. It is detuned, for the reasons TJ and I mentioned above.

Originally Posted by AlsCobra

This thread is retarded.

Originally Posted by AlsCobra

If you run the hell out of your car it's will not last as long.

Originally Posted by AlsCobra

This thread is retarded. A good safe tune can yield good hp gains and still be safe on the engine. A big part of the factory tuning has to do with passing the emissions testing and being compliant with regulations. If you run the hell out of your car it's will not last as long. If you tune too aggressively, it may cause failures if driving daily with an aggressive tune.
Safe tune for every day driving. Race tunes are designed for racing applications and not extended idling and sitting iniintraffic.

Originally Posted by texastboneking

Then your tunes are more conservative than the ones I ran.

Originally Posted by AMChrisRose

It's all in how you approach tuning. There are companies that go straight for tons of timing and a lean air/fuel ratio, because it works. At the end of the day, this will hurt the longevity of the car, just like you said!

Originally Posted by texastboneking

Glad you came to clear it up for us o mighty and intelegent one

Originally Posted by AlsCobra

This thread is retarded. A good safe tune can yield good hp gains and still be safe on the engine. A big part of the factory tuning has to do with passing the emissions testing and being compliant with regulations. If you run the hell out of your car it's will not last as long. If you tune too aggressively, it may cause failures if driving daily with an aggressive tune.
Safe tune for every day driving. Race tunes are designed for racing applications and not extended idling and sitting iniintraffic.

Originally Posted by skunk21

I totally agree. been running a tune on my contour which has head work and other supporting mods. dyno tuned by a well known ford tuner in my area Mike Freedman back in '02 , so what that is going on 9yrs now and I'm not easy on her either. My motor is totally fine, purrs like a kitten and it's a pretty agressive tune.

Originally Posted by AlsCobra

I also do not agree with data logging mail order tunes. Sorry AM and Steeda. Too many variables. Should be tuned on a dyno for best results. Any little hitch in you vehicle that the tuner has no idea is there may lead to catastrophe. Could be as simple as a fuel filter or spark plug choice. Completely stock new car data log tune should be no problem. Modded car should be tuned on a dyno. Just my 2 cents worth.

Originally Posted by skunk21

I agree and get beat up alot over this. I believe in a real good tuning shop and having it dyno tuned. This is why I had my 'tour done on a dyno. It was even tricky for him getting the fuel/air and few other things on the car in check.

Originally Posted by AlsCobra

This thread is retarded. A good safe tune can yield good hp gains and still be safe on the engine. A big part of the factory tuning has to do with passing the emissions testing and being compliant with regulations. If you run the hell out of your car it's will not last as long. If you tune too aggressively, it may cause failures if driving daily with an aggressive tune.
Safe tune for every day driving. Race tunes are designed for racing applications and not extended idling and sitting iniintraffic.

Originally Posted by Flagstang

glad I missed a whole lot of nothing

Originally Posted by AMChrisRose

It's all in how you approach tuning. There are companies that go straight for tons of timing and a lean air/fuel ratio, because it works. At the end of the day, this will hurt the longevity of the car, just like you said!