theedge67

I tried this in the "whats better" section and didn't get any results, so we'll try it here

I noticed the 01 Cobras have pretty similar HP ratings, similar curb weights to the 05 GT's....
320HP, 320ish TQ, 3,4xxlbs, 5sp manual for the Cobra

Anyone have any experience or 0-60 times for that year Cobras? I searched around and couldn't find much for performance times...

I wouldn't mind being able to beat a Cobra with a CAI and tune, that would be alright with me!!

SlwSVT

I owned a 01 Cobra previously to my 06 GT. I think the new GT's would get out in front, but I think the Cobra would edge it on the top end in a quarter mile race with drivers being equal.

RedDragon777

0-60 in 4.8sec

0-100 in 12sec

1/4 in 13.5 @ 105mph

theedge67

Thanks for the specs RedDragon, it's interesting also that the Cobras have a 3.27 rear end gears too, that seems like it would slow it up a bit.

Although I just read an interesting article about the CVPI's where the Michigan State Police tested both gear ratios available, 3.27 and 3.55 and the 3.27's beat the 3.55's at every point of acceleration from 0-100. They timed 0-20, 0-40, 0-60, 0-80, and 0-100, the 3.27's edged out by a little each test, and by 100 they were about .2 seconds ahead. Interesting.

YardSpecial

S197 will spank 99-01 Cobra. Wheel hop is why. (Stock vs stock)

I traded our 01 Cobra in for the 07 GT, too much for insurance and mods.

metroplex

Panther platform != S-197 Mustangs or even Fox Mustangs.

Ford is royally screwing over the Panther platform though. The 2007 CVPI has optional 3.55s but if you get the 3.55s, the speed limiter is set to 120 mph because Ford doesn't want to shell out $$ for an AMMX driveshaft. The driveshaft will wobble excessively leading to drivetrain failure using the 3.55s at high speeds (125+ mph). The CVPI with 3.27s will have a speed limiter of 130-132 mph due to a higher driveline critical vehicle speed. Regardless, a 4.6L 2V V8 only making 250 hp is rather pathetic for a 4100-4200 lb sedan. The Panther platform needs at least 325-350 hp to be competitive with stock Mustang GTs, and usually that requires a supercharger.

However, you are correct: the jump from 3.27s to 3.55s is hardly noticeable
on the Panthers. You will notice a much bigger jump going from 3.27s to 3.73s or 2.73s to 3.55s. In the S197 GT with 17" tires, I will not go to anything numerically higher than 3.55s for the sake of gas mileage. My 00 Vic came with 3.55s from the factory, and it turns about 2500 RPM+ at 75 mph in OD. It gets 11-13 mpg city, 15-17 mpg combined, and 18-20 mpg highway. It runs the 1/4 slower than a Dodge Neon and almost any of the newer SUVs will outrun and outhandle even the latest Crown Vics.

SlamMan02

Stock vs. Stock, I think you will see most outcomes on the street end with the Cobra pulling ahead slightly especially in the upper RPMS.

However, Once the GT has CAI/Tune it will walk the Cobra.

max2000jp

Why invest money in a poor product that is soon to replaced?

metroplex

Back in 2002, you may have heard of something called the Mercury Marauder. It was basically a 2003 Crown Vic with Grand Marquis sidemarkers and tail lamps, a 300 hp 4.6L DOHC V8, RWD, and automatic. It was advertised by Ford as, "an Impala SS killer" and "Modern Muscle". It only lasted two model years. Want to guess why it only lasted two years? It couldn't kill an Impala SS and it wasn't modern muscle. It also had no target audience, just like the new Interceptor concept. The only way to make the Marauder fast was to supercharge the sh*t out of it. Trilogy's Trilogy-1 Marauder outran a Ford GT (the $150k GT) at Milan Dragway in SE MI a few summers ago. IIRC, the Marauder ran low 11s ousting the Ford GT! Unfortunately Ford Corp put about as much effort into the Marauder/Panther platform as they did fixing our S197 GT brake fluid caps and leaky passenger side compartment.

Ford hasn't really invested in much advertising for the Panther platform. 5 or 6 years ago, the Panther platform could have had a strong future via the Marauder. It debuted 2-3 years BEFORE the Hemi LX cars so it could have had a big jump on the "modern muscle" 4-door sedans. The 4.6L 3V V8 should have been implemented in the Panther in 2005 or at least 2006. It would have given the car a fighting chance against the DCX LX Hemi cars later on. The Marauder should have gotten a more unique exterior styling, and a 5/6 speed MANUAL transmission to add to its uniqueness. As you can see it is a game of could of, should of, would of.

Now, Chevy is coming out with a RWD V8 Impala in the US in 2009/2010, based on the current Middle East Chevrolet Caprice. That leaves Ford without a viable police car entrant unless they keep the CVPI around as a fleet-only car. The 2007 Chevy Tahoe 2WD will outrun and outhandle the CVPI, but only because Ford Corp LET the platform die. I suspect Ford will bring the re-designed Orion platform Falcon to the US in 2010 due to its unveiling of the Interceptor concept, and the attention it has attracted.

FWIW, my 2000 Crown Vic has a 98 Mustang GT engine (factory 2000 Romeo NPI 4.6 2V V8 - same as the 96-98 GT engine) and a 4R70W, along with a 8.8" rear-end. It's about as "poor" of a product as the Mustang GT or the F-150 (note the sarcasm...) However, it is severely underpowered, IMHO. It's also one of the LAST body-on-frame domestic RWD/V8 sedans (made in St Thomas Ontario...)

back on topic:
The 01 Cobra weighs 20 lb less than the S197 GT w/ the manual (3430 lb vs 3450 lb).
The Cobra's 4.6 4V makes 320 hp / 317 ft-lb, while our 4.6 3V V8s make 300 hp / 320 ft-lb. I'd say it would be a tight race but the 01 Cobra should have a SLIGHT edge when talking stock vs stock.

PACETTR

S-197 > 99-01 Cobra. No one will leave either stock, and the S-197 is a MUCH better car in every aspect.

Also, check stock dyno results from both and you will find the 3-valve to have a better area under the curve and likely more power everywhere up to 6000 rpm and similar if not better paek hp.

metroplex

PACETTR: Good point! I noticed the better torque curve from the 4.6 3V V8. The Variable Cam timing system was designed to broaden the torque curve so it has more low end torque. I also like the S-197 styling and design much more than the Fox chassis Mustangs.

SlamMan02

But one thing you guys might be overlooking is the Rarity factor...There aren't a ton of 99-01 Cobras running around while there are quite a few 05+ GTs. Im not saying I would own an 01 Cobra over my 06 GT, and I know this thread isn't even about which car you would rather have, but to the average person they will choose the 'Cobra' over the 'GT' cause it sounds meaner, more aggressive, and its fairly rare.

SlwSVT

The 99/01 Cobra is no slouch and does not bow down to the S197 in anyway. The Cobra with its IRS handles just as good if not better then the S197 and rides smoother. Brakes better with the larger Cobra brakes and is a tad stronger on the top end. Why someone would say the S197 is just a better car without any facts to back it up is beyond me.

theedge67

Metroplex: By your post it sounds like you may have misunderstood my post, I was saying that it was very interesting that the 3.27 was QUICKER than the 3.55 CVPI's, not the other way around like it would seem like. Sure, top end is faster with the 3.27, but I would expect the 3.55's to be faster in the 1/8 mile at least...but no, the 3.27 was faster all the way around! Strange.

The other night I decided to test those numbers and me and my coworker found a nice back road and we tested it out. My CVPI was the 2005 with 3.55 and his was a 2004 with a 3.27. sure enough he was out ahead the whole way by a half carlength, and I definitely got a little jump on him on the line. Who knew?

SlamMan02

I agree with about everything you said besides the riding smoother...I rode in my friends 99 Cobra and stock it rides no where near as smooth as my 06 GT.

smitty

I owned an 01 Cobra before the 05 GT. When people asked me how the GT ran, I compared it to the Cobra because they felt similar to one another. The GT has a better midrange, but the Cobra had alot of punch above 5k rpm. It would be a pretty close race.

In terms of body rigidity and ergonomics, the GT is a much better car and alot nicer to drive day in and out. The seats in the Cobra were really good, as were the brakes. And I loved the independent rear. Having said that, the GT is a much easier car to drive fast.

mikes rx

Don't forget that with the higher numerical gear ratio, you are shifting at a slower vehicle speed. So, for example, if you can go 0-60 staying in 2nd gear w/3.27's, your time would probably be faster than if you have 3.55's, but have to shift to 3rd to reach 60.

also, depending on your torque/hp curve, higher # gear ratios may put you out of your power range.

PACETTR

The 99-01 Cobra bows down in nearly every way, as has been backed by most of the other replies to this thread. The Cobra does not handle NEARLY as well as the s-197 with these facts to back it up...

From C&D, July 2001, about the 01 Cobra:
"it stops from 70 mph in 179 feet, and it claws at the pavement with 0.86 g of lateral grip"
"The Cobra scooted to 60 mph in only 4.8 seconds and through the quarter in 13.5 seconds at 105 mph"
"The 1999 Cobra needed 5.5 seconds to get to 60 mph"

From C&D, Jan 2007, about the 07 Mustang GT:
"Zero to 60 mph: 5.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 25.6 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 147 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 170 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.89 g

These FACTS clearly show that the s-197 handles and brakes better, and depending on car and driver (no pun intended ) it is a driver's race between an 01 and the 05-07 with the 99 being the stepchild in this discussion. The s-197 also rides MUCH better in spite of its stick axle (I would have preferred IRS, FWIW), and only requires 87 octane for its gettyup.

Hope these facts are not beyond you...

05BlackGT

Can't say anything about a straight line race, but I'm usually faster than Cobras at the autocross tracks.

metroplex

FYI, his 2004 CVPI has a different air inlet tube than your 2005. When MSP tested the 98 CVPI with 3.27s and the 99 CVPI with 3.55s, the 99 CVPI was most definitely faster in the 0-60mph and 1/4 mile tests. I'm looking at the 2006 MSP test report and the CVPI with 3.55s has faster acceleration times than the CVPI with 3.27s. The 3.55s yielded faster 0-60 mph, 0-80 mph, and 1/4 mile tests. Where did you see that the CVPI with 3.55s was slower than the CVPI with 3.27s? Are you talking about the 2007 MSP report?