Which is a straight out race car?
8/4/13, 02:08 PM
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Which is a straight out race car?
My wife and I are in a disagreement between the 2000 Cobra R and the 2012 Boss 302. Which is the more flat out, off the show room floor race car?
She thinks the Boss is less of a race car due to it having a/c, radio, power equip and a normal warranty. I think the boss is the choice since it has more power and better suspension.
What do you say TMS?
She thinks the Boss is less of a race car due to it having a/c, radio, power equip and a normal warranty. I think the boss is the choice since it has more power and better suspension.
What do you say TMS?
8/4/13, 02:54 PM
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Cobra R was supposed to be race ready from what I know of them. The Boss will perform better and I guess the LS is top dog. I would have to say the Cobra R is more of a race car though.
They also do well just sitting in a garage. Right Gary?
They also do well just sitting in a garage. Right Gary?
8/4/13, 07:22 PM
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My wife and I are in a disagreement between the 2000 Cobra R and the 2012 Boss 302. Which is the more flat out, off the show room floor race car?
She thinks the Boss is less of a race car due to it having a/c, radio, power equip and a normal warranty. I think the boss is the choice since it has more power and better suspension.
What do you say TMS?
She thinks the Boss is less of a race car due to it having a/c, radio, power equip and a normal warranty. I think the boss is the choice since it has more power and better suspension.
What do you say TMS?
But, your wife is right. The Cobra R is defiantly more of a Race car, nothing was put into that car if it didn't have to do with racing. 385hp was a ton for a 2000 car, what else had that much power, not much. Also the suspension was limited by the 1979 chassis they were using.
8/4/13, 08:47 PM
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This isn't even a discussion. The Cobra R, besides being super badass, is a street legal race car. Tons of power for a 2000 car, and the best you could make a suspension designed 40 years ago.
The Boss is a track inspired street car. It's got tons of non needed stuff for a track car, such as: ac, radio, sound proofing, rear seats, airbags, etc.
The Boss is a track inspired street car. It's got tons of non needed stuff for a track car, such as: ac, radio, sound proofing, rear seats, airbags, etc.
8/5/13, 02:46 AM
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So, the fact that the Boss has a/c, radio means its not a race car? The original boss 302 was made for racing, and the new one was made to be like the orig, and I think Ford did an amazing job doing so.
Also, the wife was ecstatic that yall sided with her.
Also, the wife was ecstatic that yall sided with her.
8/5/13, 04:16 AM
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I think the Boss is for the weekend warrior. One that likes to do track events but also likes to go cruising around town. Almost a dual purpose car. Does it make it less than a kick a** car, far from but for a hardcore track person that added weight from the radio and AC means slower times. So the Cobra R would be the purpose built track car.
8/6/13, 01:41 AM
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Let me see here
Recaros standard. Not an added option.
Independent rear suspension. Check
Bladdered fuel cell for racing. Got it
Speed limiter like a street car? Haha nope. 180mph top speed.
Have you driven a car with no AC in South Texas in the summer? Because race car.
You have no choice but to listen to the exhaust in the R. In the 2012 Boss you couldn't get Sync or the electronics package. That's really roughin it.
Removable front splitter? Ok LS had one.
Brake ducts with the car? R ducts came in a bag in the trunk with the car.
Park bench for downforce? Check.
Trunk carpet? Nope.
Back seat? Nope. Then again LS didn't either.
Canton oil pan? R yes, Boss don't know
Billet rods, forged internals, and heads that would become the basis for the FGT heads? R
Oil cooler.
100 treadware tired on the car from the factory.
Could use a differential cooler though.
All in all though I'd say the AC delete is the biggest thing. In my area they haven't sold cars without AC since the 70's. Making the R only viable as a race car.
Recaros standard. Not an added option.
Independent rear suspension. Check
Bladdered fuel cell for racing. Got it
Speed limiter like a street car? Haha nope. 180mph top speed.
Have you driven a car with no AC in South Texas in the summer? Because race car.
You have no choice but to listen to the exhaust in the R. In the 2012 Boss you couldn't get Sync or the electronics package. That's really roughin it.
Removable front splitter? Ok LS had one.
Brake ducts with the car? R ducts came in a bag in the trunk with the car.
Park bench for downforce? Check.
Trunk carpet? Nope.
Back seat? Nope. Then again LS didn't either.
Canton oil pan? R yes, Boss don't know
Billet rods, forged internals, and heads that would become the basis for the FGT heads? R
Oil cooler.
100 treadware tired on the car from the factory.
Could use a differential cooler though.
All in all though I'd say the AC delete is the biggest thing. In my area they haven't sold cars without AC since the 70's. Making the R only viable as a race car.
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8/6/13, 04:31 AM
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Let me see here
Recaros standard. Not an added option.
Independent rear suspension. Check
Bladdered fuel cell for racing. Got it
Speed limiter like a street car? Haha nope. 180mph top speed.
Have you driven a car with no AC in South Texas in the summer? Because race car.
You have no choice but to listen to the exhaust in the R. In the 2012 Boss you couldn't get Sync or the electronics package. That's really roughin it.
Removable front splitter? Ok LS had one.
Brake ducts with the car? R ducts came in a bag in the trunk with the car.
Park bench for downforce? Check.
Trunk carpet? Nope.
Back seat? Nope. Then again LS didn't either.
Canton oil pan? R yes, Boss don't know
Billet rods, forged internals, and heads that would become the basis for the FGT heads? R
Oil cooler.
100 treadware tired on the car from the factory.
Could use a differential cooler though.
All in all though I'd say the AC delete is the biggest thing. In my area they haven't sold cars without AC since the 70's. Making the R only viable as a race car.
Recaros standard. Not an added option.
Independent rear suspension. Check
Bladdered fuel cell for racing. Got it
Speed limiter like a street car? Haha nope. 180mph top speed.
Have you driven a car with no AC in South Texas in the summer? Because race car.
You have no choice but to listen to the exhaust in the R. In the 2012 Boss you couldn't get Sync or the electronics package. That's really roughin it.
Removable front splitter? Ok LS had one.
Brake ducts with the car? R ducts came in a bag in the trunk with the car.
Park bench for downforce? Check.
Trunk carpet? Nope.
Back seat? Nope. Then again LS didn't either.
Canton oil pan? R yes, Boss don't know
Billet rods, forged internals, and heads that would become the basis for the FGT heads? R
Oil cooler.
100 treadware tired on the car from the factory.
Could use a differential cooler though.
All in all though I'd say the AC delete is the biggest thing. In my area they haven't sold cars without AC since the 70's. Making the R only viable as a race car.
9/4/13, 07:31 AM
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Let me see here
Recaros standard. Not an added option.
Independent rear suspension. Check
Bladdered fuel cell for racing. Got it
Speed limiter like a street car? Haha nope. 180mph top speed.
Have you driven a car with no AC in South Texas in the summer? Because race car.
You have no choice but to listen to the exhaust in the R. In the 2012 Boss you couldn't get Sync or the electronics package. That's really roughin it.
Removable front splitter? Ok LS had one.
Brake ducts with the car? R ducts came in a bag in the trunk with the car.
Park bench for downforce? Check.
Trunk carpet? Nope.
Back seat? Nope. Then again LS didn't either.
Canton oil pan? R yes, Boss don't know
Billet rods, forged internals, and heads that would become the basis for the FGT heads? R
Oil cooler.
100 treadware tired on the car from the factory.
Could use a differential cooler though.
All in all though I'd say the AC delete is the biggest thing. In my area they haven't sold cars without AC since the 70's. Making the R only viable as a race car.
Recaros standard. Not an added option.
Independent rear suspension. Check
Bladdered fuel cell for racing. Got it
Speed limiter like a street car? Haha nope. 180mph top speed.
Have you driven a car with no AC in South Texas in the summer? Because race car.
You have no choice but to listen to the exhaust in the R. In the 2012 Boss you couldn't get Sync or the electronics package. That's really roughin it.
Removable front splitter? Ok LS had one.
Brake ducts with the car? R ducts came in a bag in the trunk with the car.
Park bench for downforce? Check.
Trunk carpet? Nope.
Back seat? Nope. Then again LS didn't either.
Canton oil pan? R yes, Boss don't know
Billet rods, forged internals, and heads that would become the basis for the FGT heads? R
Oil cooler.
100 treadware tired on the car from the factory.
Could use a differential cooler though.
All in all though I'd say the AC delete is the biggest thing. In my area they haven't sold cars without AC since the 70's. Making the R only viable as a race car.
This made me actually laugh out loud.... because it's so true!
Hec, even driving an a/c car for the first 10-15 minutes after start up is like hell sometimes!
Cobra R for sure.
It was literately built ONLY for racing.
The Boss 302 & Boss 302 LS were extremely track derived Mustang GTs that are able to drive daily (hence having a separate track key)
The LS makes more sense than the standard Boss, but again that's obvious (no back seat, splitter, etc.). I'd still pick the Cobra R though.
9/4/13, 06:45 PM
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I'm not sure if they still do, because it';s been some years back that I saw them, but Cobra's used to have a showroom stock class for road racing. Nothing was allowed to be changed. They even tested the oil in them to be sure every competitor was running the same oil. It was a "drivers bring your stock cobra and race" class. No "hidden mods", no none of that...they caught a couple that tried, and they got banned for it too. When they said "no mods" they meant it.
So going by that and seeing just how fast and how durable these things were and how they really were built for the track, I'd have to go with the Cobra.
We all know that ALL mustangs are race cars though, but in this case these Cobra's are spec built for racing.
Now the posts about the Cobra Jet's? That's an entirely different class of car. Those are NOT street legal and are never allowed to be titled as such. They are an 85,000 dollar Ford Built modified Drag only car. Even if you wanted to drive one on the road you'd have a ticket before you got to the city, because there are two positions for the throttle on those cars...ON and OFF! lol Not only that, but the computers are dialed in for racing and leaving VERY hard. It would be a nightmare at stoplights. There is nothing about a Cobra Jet that should ever be on the street...it's dangerous. It's designed for straight line running.It's like pulling a rubber band back and letting it go...once it launches it's GONE and that is very dangerous in traffic. That car has a delay box, and two step setup, and everything comes in and on at high rpm with an insane amount of horsepower.
So going by that and seeing just how fast and how durable these things were and how they really were built for the track, I'd have to go with the Cobra.
We all know that ALL mustangs are race cars though, but in this case these Cobra's are spec built for racing.
Now the posts about the Cobra Jet's? That's an entirely different class of car. Those are NOT street legal and are never allowed to be titled as such. They are an 85,000 dollar Ford Built modified Drag only car. Even if you wanted to drive one on the road you'd have a ticket before you got to the city, because there are two positions for the throttle on those cars...ON and OFF! lol Not only that, but the computers are dialed in for racing and leaving VERY hard. It would be a nightmare at stoplights. There is nothing about a Cobra Jet that should ever be on the street...it's dangerous. It's designed for straight line running.It's like pulling a rubber band back and letting it go...once it launches it's GONE and that is very dangerous in traffic. That car has a delay box, and two step setup, and everything comes in and on at high rpm with an insane amount of horsepower.
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9/9/13, 04:29 PM
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I know the LS is faster than the R. Guy that came to our car show last year had both and said the LS was faster.
But I figure just the normal Boss would have a challenge to beat the R.
But I figure just the normal Boss would have a challenge to beat the R.