PATAN

Hi Guys, I was recently inspired in looking for a shelby GT500, I got discouraged again about the idiotic 10 to 15k over sticker the dealers in central florida are charging, so I was thinking in installing a nice supercharged on my '05 GT.
I know from the point of view of having THE car, the GT500 kills the normal GT... BUT.

the GT is lighter, and with a supercharger that will keep in in the 400/425 HP which sounds like the number most people here consider safe for an everyday car, I read you can get 0/60 times of around 4.5 seconds, isnt that what the shelby GT500 does???

I am missing something here???

So I decided to investigate a little about superchargers, and maybe you guys that own GT500's and supercharged Gt's can post some numbers here.

basically the GT is lighter and the GT500 will have like 80/100 horses more...

why would you pay 60k+ for a shelbt GT500...

I am actually sour with ford dealers for that extra 10/15k... one of the guys put the excuse that they sell them a lot to europe, and they "can" overcharge on the price...

Another question would be: could I go directly to ford and buy it there??? and pay just sticker price?

Anyway, what times have you seen in these 2 cars on the road and 1/4 mile?
there is no magazine I had that would compare them head to head, maybe because Ford don't want that to happen???

Thanks for the answers guys!

tacbear

Car and Driver got the following:

Stock Mustang GT= 0-60(5.1 sec) 1/4 mile(13.8 sec)
This is about right for the stock ones I have seen run at the Drag Strip(w/Drag Radials). When you add a SC the "rule of thumb" is 100hp would be about 1 sec faster(1/4mile), 150hp would be about 1.5 sec faster, etc.
So if you gain 150 hp w/ a SC your Mustang should go low 12's (w/ traction)

Car and Driver also got the following:

Stock GT 500= 0-60(4.5 sec) 1/4 mile(12.9 sec) I have seen STOCK GT 500's run 12.40 w/traction.
There is NO WAY I would buy any car at 15-20,000 over MSRP, unless I had Donald Trump's money!

PATAN

I was under the same idea as you.

but man, I love the leather dash, the inverted rpm and speedo, the 6 speeds, the suspension, the front facsia the stance...

but heck no 20 k extra for that !

Knight

I dare you to take a mustang GT and swap in a forged bottom end 5.4L with a SC, a T-6565 6-speed and redo all the suspension and brakes. Get new rims and performance tires and full body kit and upgraded interior peices for less then $20k.... It can't be done.

Can you make a GT faster then the GT500 for under $20k sure...but it would be missing a ton of the parts that the GT500 offers. and when you try to sell it you will get absolutly no extra money for the mods.. unlike trying to sell a GT500.

Galaxie

I agree with knight

I'm sure a Mustang GT can be made to take a stock GT500 in a straight line, the big tradeoff is your warranty and the strength of the rest of the driveline. Ditto for the lack of braking the car will have

However... you could buy a used '05 for a decent price and throw a pile of money at it and still come in at less than a GT500

AnotherMustangMan

I guess, used 05s really aren't as cheap as I would like them to be.

jsaylor

The problem with this argument is that you discount the potential in the GT500. Assuming you want to mod the car the GT500 seems like an easy 800+hp car (at the crank) on premium unleaded car with a KB 'big bore' blower swap and some relatively minor accompanying mods. That might be pushing the bottom end a bit but it is well beyond what a Mustang GT could be expected to reliably do without some very serious engine work.

blkstang06

Just price the T-6060 6 speed that alone will eat way into a 20.000 grand budget! I've read with mods there are GT500's pushing into the 10's for the 1/4 mile!

Knight

My post was a typo its T-6060, I had that mixed with t56 and came up with the mythical t-6565.

But yeah the T-6060 is an expensive unit.

PATAN

wow I guess I need to buy a gt500 then...
do you guys think there will be a 2008 GT500 or is it going to be a car that will be made no more than a few thousands?
I wish they didnt mark it up SO much...
I would pay 10k over sticker maybe...
what you going think about the 5 speed tranny? they told me in the dealer that it is very strong.
I went there complaining about the clunk when you drive the car slow, and they told me it needs that space between gears so the tranny and diff gears don't burn out, and yara yara yara, but I still have my doubts...

tacbear

Just get a Roush Stage 3($50,000) or Roush 427($49,000)! They are just as quick(weigh less) and handle/brake much better than a GT 500!!

PATAN

sounds interesting.

I can even get it done with my actual car correct?

SteelTownStang

+1 on the Roush Stang3... maybe even the Saleen SC. Tacbear... Nice stats- FYI, Road & Track(April/05) clocked the Mustang GT 0-60 at 4.9 sec. That figure is also published in the 2007 Mustang brochure. No big deal, but it does sounds better than the 5.1 time recorded by MT . I do feel your frustration Patan . The GT500 is ridiculously over priced .

AnotherMustangMan

Yeah, honestly. What's Ford thinking? Trying to sell a car easily capable of 700hp for a little over $40,000?? Buncha ****tards!

SteelTownStang

I sense some sarcasm...lol. Let me again try to put this in perpective. It might be capable of 1,000 hp , but it is only selling with 500. And it's not selling for a little over 40K, it's selling for a lot over 40K. I've seen upcharges between 34-38% over MSRP. Sure, If you can get this car for low 40s, a lot of the people who frequent this forum, including myself, would own one... but obviously that's not the case. The GT500 is a GREAT American car, no one disputes that, but I think everyone, besides you of course, think that the outlandish upcharge is ridiculous- JMO .

AnotherMustangMan

No, I agree that the ADMs are ridiculous, for now. However, I think (at MSRP) the GT500 offers FAR more for its price increase over the GT than a Roush S3 or an S281E.

That said, if bang-for-buck is all that matters, I would (and am) wait(ing) two years and spend(ing) my money on a used '05, CAI/tuner, FRPP suspension pack, short shifter, and vortech centri. That car should fly, and cost me around $22,000.

SteelTownStang

SONICBOOST

I'd take a supercharged gt

94tbird

i have already beaten a GT500 at the track. i have spent less than sticker price of the GT500 to do it. by this spring i will have a car with a built Stroker 5.2L engine, 9" rear, completely adjustable suspension, stiffer chassis, a lighter car, and an upgraded tranny that will cost less than the GT500 sticker plus its general markup. and i will bask in the knowledge that i built it myself having only the major stuff (engine and tranny rebuild) done by professionals. I take pride in my work and to some its the challenge and satisfaction of doing it yourself verses jsut gonig out and flaunting your money to buy something. Dont get me wrong, if you can afford the GT500 wit hthe markup then congrats to you your doing better than i am but id still rather build it myself.

SONICBOOST

Vortech say's o-60 in 3.6 seconds heres the video

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=106967