Japan Earthquakes-Tsunamis
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Well I'm going to take it on faith that something like this was engineered by the very best in Japan. No one can account for everything.
Anyway what's done is done..now it's just fix it and recover as best as possible.
Anyway what's done is done..now it's just fix it and recover as best as possible.
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FIX IT!! (SNL 
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I believe the plants are GE. But as to the operator TEPCO and their very best, there is this:
)I believe the plants are GE. But as to the operator TEPCO and their very best, there is this:
On August 29, 2002, the government of Japan revealed that TEPCO was guilty of false reporting in routine governmental inspection of its nuclear plants and systematic concealment of plant safety incidents. All seventeen of its boiling-water reactors were shut down for inspection as a result. TEPCO's president, Nobuya Minami, was later forced to resign, and the utility "eventually admitted to two hundred occasions over more than two decades between 1977 and 2002, involving the submission of false technical data to authorities". Upon taking over leadership responsibilities, TEPCO's new president issued a public commitment that the company would take all the countermeasures necessary to prevent fraud and restore the nation's confidence. By the end of 2005, generation at suspended plants had been restarted, with government approval.
In 2007, however, the company announced to the public that an internal investigation had revealed a large number of unreported incidents. These included an unexpected unit criticality in 1978 and additional systematic false reporting, which hadn't been uncovered during the 2002 inquiry. Along with scandals at other Japanese electric companies, this failure to ensure corporate compliance resulted in strong public criticism of Japan's electric power industry and the nation's nuclear energy policy. Again the company made no effort to identify those responsible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tok..._Power_Company
In 2007, however, the company announced to the public that an internal investigation had revealed a large number of unreported incidents. These included an unexpected unit criticality in 1978 and additional systematic false reporting, which hadn't been uncovered during the 2002 inquiry. Along with scandals at other Japanese electric companies, this failure to ensure corporate compliance resulted in strong public criticism of Japan's electric power industry and the nation's nuclear energy policy. Again the company made no effort to identify those responsible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tok..._Power_Company
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I'm guessing not very much ..it's can't be the first time and I can sure as heck tell you it wont be the last. What we are seeing here is the natural lifecycle of the earth..the only problem is that it's not too convient for living creatures on the surface.
Mother nature can be a cruel mistress
Mother nature can be a cruel mistress
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I don't know if anywhere else in the country is broadcasting the problems in Crescent City CA & Brookings OR from the tsunami, but its kind of a big deal here in Southern Oregon's State of Jefferson. That includes these small harbors up and down the coast that are base for commercial fisherman.
I mean I know it is miniscule in comparison to Japan's woes.
But these aren't just a few pleasure boats that got wrecked. This has affected local fisherman that depend on their boats - to earn a living and often their only place to live. No different than if your house was wrecked and your job vanished putting you out in the streets. Disasters on the other side of the world make you sad, but when disaster strikes your own family, that takes precedent.
Commercial fisherman have been punished for years in this area by often ill advised government 'biologic opinions' (guesses) by suits that live thousands of miles away in D.C. These fisherman live on the edge financially - many live on their boats. They have no room for unexpected losses like a tsunami triggered on the other side of the Pacific.
So not only have many of their boats been destroyed, but the docks are mostly wrecked too. Diesel fuel is polluting the harbor's fishing beds. With no docks, even the fishing boats that survived have no place to moor. That means they will move to other harbors - devastating the local town's economies that depend on them. Fresh fish shacks and restaurants don't have product. That means less tourists. Etc., etc.
To add to their woes, a string of spring storms are lined up out the Pacific. The next few days are expecting 60 mph winds which will only destroy what's left in the harbors. Without docks to tie up to, the remaining boats are slamming up against one another from the wind driven rough surf.
Both fisherman and tourist businesses were already facing a lean tourist season with fuel prices going through the roof.
So, you might keep them in your thoughts and prayers too. Some of the musicians I sometimes hang and play with are planning fund raising shows.
I mean I know it is miniscule in comparison to Japan's woes.
But these aren't just a few pleasure boats that got wrecked. This has affected local fisherman that depend on their boats - to earn a living and often their only place to live. No different than if your house was wrecked and your job vanished putting you out in the streets. Disasters on the other side of the world make you sad, but when disaster strikes your own family, that takes precedent.
Commercial fisherman have been punished for years in this area by often ill advised government 'biologic opinions' (guesses) by suits that live thousands of miles away in D.C. These fisherman live on the edge financially - many live on their boats. They have no room for unexpected losses like a tsunami triggered on the other side of the Pacific.
So not only have many of their boats been destroyed, but the docks are mostly wrecked too. Diesel fuel is polluting the harbor's fishing beds. With no docks, even the fishing boats that survived have no place to moor. That means they will move to other harbors - devastating the local town's economies that depend on them. Fresh fish shacks and restaurants don't have product. That means less tourists. Etc., etc.
To add to their woes, a string of spring storms are lined up out the Pacific. The next few days are expecting 60 mph winds which will only destroy what's left in the harbors. Without docks to tie up to, the remaining boats are slamming up against one another from the wind driven rough surf.
Both fisherman and tourist businesses were already facing a lean tourist season with fuel prices going through the roof.
So, you might keep them in your thoughts and prayers too. Some of the musicians I sometimes hang and play with are planning fund raising shows.
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That doesn't dissapate the heat, just slows the adding of heat down. The heat still has to be pumped away (and it's a LOT of it to get rid of, takes days, if I remember right.)
All the local power was gone, of course, since the reactors were down. The external power was knocked out by quake related issues, apparently, and the generators were being used... until 1 hour later, when the tsunami came along and drowned them (I would suspect they're ground mounted units... and we're talking 23 foot waves here)
Then all that's left is batteries... and they run out.
Poof. Insta crisis. And hydrogen fueled exploding tilt-wall.
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I have heard they're pumping sea water and boron on the reactor 1, but reactor 3, I'm not sure what they're doing. And with all that surrounding water, you'd think they'd have enough, but they're still talkin' meltdown, which means there's not enough water in the sea right now to cool it down.
Nasty nasty nasty. This one, and Chernobyl reminders, will set back nuke power for years. Again.
We really need to figure out tokamaks or other fusion reactors. Fission is just too messed up if not done perfectly... and man is not perfect.
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I don't know if anywhere else in the country is broadcasting the problems in Crescent City CA & Brookings OR from the tsunami, but its kind of a big deal here in Southern Oregon's State of Jefferson. That includes these small harbors up and down the coast that are base for commercial fisherman.
I mean I know it is miniscule in comparison to Japan's woes.
But these aren't just a few pleasure boats that got wrecked. This has affected local fisherman that depend on their boats - to earn a living and often their only place to live. No different than if your house was wrecked and your job vanished putting you out in the streets. Disasters on the other side of the world make you sad, but when disaster strikes your own family, that takes precedent.
Commercial fisherman have been punished for years in this area by often ill advised government 'biologic opinions' (guesses) by suits that live thousands of miles away in D.C. These fisherman live on the edge financially - many live on their boats. They have no room for unexpected losses like a tsunami triggered on the other side of the Pacific.
So not only have many of their boats been destroyed, but the docks are mostly wrecked too. Diesel fuel is polluting the harbor's fishing beds. With no docks, even the fishing boats that survived have no place to moor. That means they will move to other harbors - devastating the local town's economies that depend on them. Fresh fish shacks and restaurants don't have product. That means less tourists. Etc., etc.
To add to their woes, a string of spring storms are lined up out the Pacific. The next few days are expecting 60 mph winds which will only destroy what's left in the harbors. Without docks to tie up to, the remaining boats are slamming up against one another from the wind driven rough surf.
Both fisherman and tourist businesses were already facing a lean tourist season with fuel prices going through the roof.
So, you might keep them in your thoughts and prayers too. Some of the musicians I sometimes hang and play with are planning fund raising shows.
I mean I know it is miniscule in comparison to Japan's woes.
But these aren't just a few pleasure boats that got wrecked. This has affected local fisherman that depend on their boats - to earn a living and often their only place to live. No different than if your house was wrecked and your job vanished putting you out in the streets. Disasters on the other side of the world make you sad, but when disaster strikes your own family, that takes precedent.
Commercial fisherman have been punished for years in this area by often ill advised government 'biologic opinions' (guesses) by suits that live thousands of miles away in D.C. These fisherman live on the edge financially - many live on their boats. They have no room for unexpected losses like a tsunami triggered on the other side of the Pacific.
So not only have many of their boats been destroyed, but the docks are mostly wrecked too. Diesel fuel is polluting the harbor's fishing beds. With no docks, even the fishing boats that survived have no place to moor. That means they will move to other harbors - devastating the local town's economies that depend on them. Fresh fish shacks and restaurants don't have product. That means less tourists. Etc., etc.
To add to their woes, a string of spring storms are lined up out the Pacific. The next few days are expecting 60 mph winds which will only destroy what's left in the harbors. Without docks to tie up to, the remaining boats are slamming up against one another from the wind driven rough surf.
Both fisherman and tourist businesses were already facing a lean tourist season with fuel prices going through the roof.
So, you might keep them in your thoughts and prayers too. Some of the musicians I sometimes hang and play with are planning fund raising shows.
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Wow... ten miles out...
Tsunami victim Hiromitsu Shinkawa, 65, waves to rescuers who spotted him floating on the roof of his home nearly 10 miles out to sea. Photograph: AP
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...cued-fukushima
Tsunami victim Hiromitsu Shinkawa, 65, waves to rescuers who spotted him floating on the roof of his home nearly 10 miles out to sea. Photograph: AP
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...cued-fukushima
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Right. They'll ignore how old the design is of these GE plants. And TEPCO's botched record...
And frankly - if they would have better planned the backup of the cooling system, there'd be no problems.
You're in Japan. With a history of major quakes. With a history of major tsunamis. You even made up the word tsunami. And those plants are right on the water. And you didn't think that maybe a big wave would short out the primary generator system? And you didn't plan for that probable occurrence? That's pretty stupid IMO.
* Guess its time to buy some stock in coal companies...
Europe comments:
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/...3/13/id/389308
And frankly - if they would have better planned the backup of the cooling system, there'd be no problems.
You're in Japan. With a history of major quakes. With a history of major tsunamis. You even made up the word tsunami. And those plants are right on the water. And you didn't think that maybe a big wave would short out the primary generator system? And you didn't plan for that probable occurrence? That's pretty stupid IMO.
* Guess its time to buy some stock in coal companies...
Europe comments:
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/...3/13/id/389308
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Japanese volcano is lonely and feels left out. Seeks attention.
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what the heck! japan needs some good luck charms asap. I do not know what else can go wrong. They need to get recovered so I can watch new anime and see more pretty girls.
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March 16, 2011, 3:30 PM ET
Radioactive plume’s path across the Pacific
The real time update page over at Reuters has posted a link to this remarkable map of the radiation plume’s path across the Pacific. The map is posted on Der Standard’s Web site.
http://derstandard.at/1297820491194/...rahlungswolken
Radioactive plume’s path across the Pacific
The real time update page over at Reuters has posted a link to this remarkable map of the radiation plume’s path across the Pacific. The map is posted on Der Standard’s Web site.
http://derstandard.at/1297820491194/...rahlungswolken
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Given the innate fallibility of man and his designs, coupled with the immense possibility for harm and damage of nuclear power, a stark reappraisal probably in not unwarranted.
