Heroes **POSSIBLE SPOILERS INSIDE**
#1
Heroes **POSSIBLE SPOILERS INSIDE**
Anyone here watch this show? Its awesome and if you havent seen it yet Id highly recommend getting into it now while they are only on episode 4, if youd like to catch up speak up and Ill post links to watch the episodes. And if anyone on here does watch this show Id like to open it up to discussion like the Lost thread since it is by the same creators.
Ill start with a small fun tidbit as well as one that seems to be a big part of the show and its mystery.....
First obviously these creators are really into, novels, comics and other pop culture as they draw upon these areas in both Heroes and Lost. Heroes obviously has a lot to do with comic books as one of the characters seems to be writing a comic book predicting the future and outlining the paths these characters must take as well as all of them seeming to be mutants and thus having a lot of powers as do many famous comic characters have; in tonights episode I think we get a better understanding of one of the more vague powers, Peter whom we at first thought powers were to fly seem to perhaps be more like Rogue's of the X-men where he can take on the powers of those he comes in contact with. Hiro comes back from the future and looks much like a Comic Book Character in full costume and changed attitude. Characters seem to be very important to the writers of both shows and as like in Lost the Characters and their development seem to be where the story truly lies and again another similarity is the obvious connection to one another they all have before they have met and they dont even know it.
Heroes seems to draw from a possible variety of works including J. Michael Straczynski's "Rising Stars," M. Night Shyamalan's "Unbreakable" and I personally think draws most from Alan Moore's graphic novel "Watchmen" where not only the New York disaster evokes thoughts of this title but it is the original works that asks the question "What if superheroes are real?"
A popculture tidbit from tonight was the reference to "Rainman" where Hiro and his friend are in the casino and taking it for all its worth by using Hiro's extradraordinary abilities and then cutting to a scene of the two of them coming down an escalator in the exact same suits Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman wore in that very scene, I thought this was classic and got a good laugh and again holds true to what the writers are doing over on Lost.
And the last thing is on a more serious note and I think will be crucial to the unfolding of this show is the reoccurance of a certain symbol and its meaning, it must have a major significance to the show and would like to hear people's idea on what that might be. Here is the "S" symbol I am talking about....
I think its a partial piece of a DNA strand, what do you think? And what is its significance?
Here is what it would look like if replicated over and over again.....
Ill start with a small fun tidbit as well as one that seems to be a big part of the show and its mystery.....
First obviously these creators are really into, novels, comics and other pop culture as they draw upon these areas in both Heroes and Lost. Heroes obviously has a lot to do with comic books as one of the characters seems to be writing a comic book predicting the future and outlining the paths these characters must take as well as all of them seeming to be mutants and thus having a lot of powers as do many famous comic characters have; in tonights episode I think we get a better understanding of one of the more vague powers, Peter whom we at first thought powers were to fly seem to perhaps be more like Rogue's of the X-men where he can take on the powers of those he comes in contact with. Hiro comes back from the future and looks much like a Comic Book Character in full costume and changed attitude. Characters seem to be very important to the writers of both shows and as like in Lost the Characters and their development seem to be where the story truly lies and again another similarity is the obvious connection to one another they all have before they have met and they dont even know it.
Heroes seems to draw from a possible variety of works including J. Michael Straczynski's "Rising Stars," M. Night Shyamalan's "Unbreakable" and I personally think draws most from Alan Moore's graphic novel "Watchmen" where not only the New York disaster evokes thoughts of this title but it is the original works that asks the question "What if superheroes are real?"
A popculture tidbit from tonight was the reference to "Rainman" where Hiro and his friend are in the casino and taking it for all its worth by using Hiro's extradraordinary abilities and then cutting to a scene of the two of them coming down an escalator in the exact same suits Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman wore in that very scene, I thought this was classic and got a good laugh and again holds true to what the writers are doing over on Lost.
And the last thing is on a more serious note and I think will be crucial to the unfolding of this show is the reoccurance of a certain symbol and its meaning, it must have a major significance to the show and would like to hear people's idea on what that might be. Here is the "S" symbol I am talking about....
I think its a partial piece of a DNA strand, what do you think? And what is its significance?
Here is what it would look like if replicated over and over again.....
#2
Great write up!
That DNA idea is genious! I would have never thought of it
And about Peter, I see him more of a Mimic character (possesses the ability to adapt the powers and abilities of people around him) than a Rogue character (absorbing and temporarly draining power from others). Although it has yet to be seen if he can take on more than one power at a time. He would be unstopable, and probably the strongest once the team forms.
That DNA idea is genious! I would have never thought of it
And about Peter, I see him more of a Mimic character (possesses the ability to adapt the powers and abilities of people around him) than a Rogue character (absorbing and temporarly draining power from others). Although it has yet to be seen if he can take on more than one power at a time. He would be unstopable, and probably the strongest once the team forms.
#3
I caught the first episode and then caught the one last night. Its a great show and very well written. I love how they are building the characters up as well.
I never watched lost, but if its as well developed and well written, I am sure I would love it.
Oh and the rainman references I caught last night and I was cracking up. I cant wait to see what happens with Hiro, cause when he showed up and acctually spoke english, he seemed like a bad***. Im curious about the sword he carried as well.
I saw that symbol on the blonde chicks shoulder last night (as she seduced the politician).. wondered what it was, but your idea makes ALOT of sense.
I never watched lost, but if its as well developed and well written, I am sure I would love it.
Oh and the rainman references I caught last night and I was cracking up. I cant wait to see what happens with Hiro, cause when he showed up and acctually spoke english, he seemed like a bad***. Im curious about the sword he carried as well.
I saw that symbol on the blonde chicks shoulder last night (as she seduced the politician).. wondered what it was, but your idea makes ALOT of sense.
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I'm also hooked on Heroes. I love the idea of watching these people discovering their powers from the very beginning. I'm curious to see where Niki's powers lead her, especially now that she and her alterego have had run-ins with Nathan. I'm also curious to see how Nathan responds to his power..... Can't wait 'til next Monday!
#6
Great write up!
That DNA idea is genious! I would have never thought of it
And about Peter, I see him more of a Mimic character (possesses the ability to adapt the powers and abilities of people around him) than a Rogue character (absorbing and temporarly draining power from others). Although it has yet to be seen if he can take on more than one power at a time. He would be unstopable, and probably the strongest once the team forms.
That DNA idea is genious! I would have never thought of it
And about Peter, I see him more of a Mimic character (possesses the ability to adapt the powers and abilities of people around him) than a Rogue character (absorbing and temporarly draining power from others). Although it has yet to be seen if he can take on more than one power at a time. He would be unstopable, and probably the strongest once the team forms.
I caught the first episode and then caught the one last night. Its a great show and very well written. I love how they are building the characters up as well.
I never watched lost, but if its as well developed and well written, I am sure I would love it.
Oh and the rainman references I caught last night and I was cracking up. I cant wait to see what happens with Hiro, cause when he showed up and acctually spoke english, he seemed like a bad***. Im curious about the sword he carried as well.
I saw that symbol on the blonde chicks shoulder last night (as she seduced the politician).. wondered what it was, but your idea makes ALOT of sense.
I never watched lost, but if its as well developed and well written, I am sure I would love it.
Oh and the rainman references I caught last night and I was cracking up. I cant wait to see what happens with Hiro, cause when he showed up and acctually spoke english, he seemed like a bad***. Im curious about the sword he carried as well.
I saw that symbol on the blonde chicks shoulder last night (as she seduced the politician).. wondered what it was, but your idea makes ALOT of sense.
As for the symbol I am just curious as to its importance, it is everywhere in this show and must be significant.
I'm also hooked on Heroes. I love the idea of watching these people discovering their powers from the very beginning. I'm curious to see where Niki's powers lead her, especially now that she and her alterego have had run-ins with Nathan. I'm also curious to see how Nathan responds to his power..... Can't wait 'til next Monday!
Also I am thinking that perhaps Nathan after he is abducted by Claires father becomes less afraid of his abilities and joins the team and maybe even becomes their leader (since in comic books again this would make sense, the rational, calm, fearless leader who is modest and cautious about flaunting his powers) and it would also make for great story if he then would have to do battle against his brother Peter if he does turn out to be Sylar, and would also be more reason why Peter would eventually turn evil.
#7
I am too, but since you figured out it could look like a strand of DNA, it makes me wonder about the guys dad who was doing all this genetic research. I figure its going to revolve around him and thats when everything will tie together.
#10
#14
ok here are some of my initial thoughts on tonights episode
After watching tonights episode I would like to add another person into the mix of who Sylar may be, the black silent man that is always with Claires father. Claires dad tells him to drain Brody, so what is his powers? can he drain people of whom they are? and if so then he could be Sylar going around collecting the "Heroes" powers and leaving them for dead.
Tribute to "What Women Want" with the cop being able to read peoples thoughts and going nuts in a crowd when he is bombarded with everyones thoughts because he cant control it yet?
ok I am still leaning to Claires father being a bad guy but perhaps for intentions that at least to him are good. I think Claire is part of an experiment that he or his organization was/is working on; either they found her and are trying to figure out what makes her "tick" or created her, either way he seems to have taken a real liking to her and loves her as his own daughter, so this leads me to think that perhaps his search for the "heroes" is a quest to, in his way, help or cure or protect/save Claire. If he can figure out what makes them the way they are perhaps he can make her "normal" or something like that. He could very well also be hiding her from the rest of his organization, if one does indeed exist, like he had a conscience about what he was doing to her or others like her and decided to steal her and hide her to save her; making up the adoption story to his wife, but this would lend to the idea that perhaps her brother is adopted as well, for the wife to fall for the idea or any lie he may have told her one would expect that they probably can not concieve a child of their own.
First DLs power is cool, he can walk through walls.
Second, is he guilty of what he was arrested for? Did he really kill the people the cops say he did? Or perhaps was it Niki and her alter ego and she doesnt remember? She and everyone else seems to believe that DL is guilty but that could be because Niki blacks out and doesnt remember, but we have seen that she is capable of killing people. And her son, Mikah, seems to know his father is innocent, could it be he witnessed Niki commit these crimes? And if so did DL witness it as well and just took the fall for her to protect her and his son?
Will Isaac ever be able to use his powers without having to get high?
Save the cheerleader save the world:
How does saving Claire save the world? Any thoughts? I am trying to figure out how it is that she can save the world, since obviously they need her to do this. What about her power can stop a bomb from blowing up New York? And how does New York blowing up destroy the world? How big is this bomb? So back to the question in hand, is it Claire herself and her powers that save the world or is it her connection to her father? The best I can think of right now as to how she saves the planet is by throwing herself in harms way that stops this from happening, litteraly throwing herself on the grenade to save others, knowing that she cant die. Or perhaps, the simple act of saving her saves the world. If saving her means saving her from Sylar, then perhaps this would be key to their battle against him. If he gets her and takes her powers than he is invincible and they would have a much harder time killing him.
Can the removing of the heads to capture ones powers be a reference to Highlander?
After watching tonights episode I would like to add another person into the mix of who Sylar may be, the black silent man that is always with Claires father. Claires dad tells him to drain Brody, so what is his powers? can he drain people of whom they are? and if so then he could be Sylar going around collecting the "Heroes" powers and leaving them for dead.
Tribute to "What Women Want" with the cop being able to read peoples thoughts and going nuts in a crowd when he is bombarded with everyones thoughts because he cant control it yet?
ok I am still leaning to Claires father being a bad guy but perhaps for intentions that at least to him are good. I think Claire is part of an experiment that he or his organization was/is working on; either they found her and are trying to figure out what makes her "tick" or created her, either way he seems to have taken a real liking to her and loves her as his own daughter, so this leads me to think that perhaps his search for the "heroes" is a quest to, in his way, help or cure or protect/save Claire. If he can figure out what makes them the way they are perhaps he can make her "normal" or something like that. He could very well also be hiding her from the rest of his organization, if one does indeed exist, like he had a conscience about what he was doing to her or others like her and decided to steal her and hide her to save her; making up the adoption story to his wife, but this would lend to the idea that perhaps her brother is adopted as well, for the wife to fall for the idea or any lie he may have told her one would expect that they probably can not concieve a child of their own.
First DLs power is cool, he can walk through walls.
Second, is he guilty of what he was arrested for? Did he really kill the people the cops say he did? Or perhaps was it Niki and her alter ego and she doesnt remember? She and everyone else seems to believe that DL is guilty but that could be because Niki blacks out and doesnt remember, but we have seen that she is capable of killing people. And her son, Mikah, seems to know his father is innocent, could it be he witnessed Niki commit these crimes? And if so did DL witness it as well and just took the fall for her to protect her and his son?
Will Isaac ever be able to use his powers without having to get high?
Save the cheerleader save the world:
How does saving Claire save the world? Any thoughts? I am trying to figure out how it is that she can save the world, since obviously they need her to do this. What about her power can stop a bomb from blowing up New York? And how does New York blowing up destroy the world? How big is this bomb? So back to the question in hand, is it Claire herself and her powers that save the world or is it her connection to her father? The best I can think of right now as to how she saves the planet is by throwing herself in harms way that stops this from happening, litteraly throwing herself on the grenade to save others, knowing that she cant die. Or perhaps, the simple act of saving her saves the world. If saving her means saving her from Sylar, then perhaps this would be key to their battle against him. If he gets her and takes her powers than he is invincible and they would have a much harder time killing him.
Can the removing of the heads to capture ones powers be a reference to Highlander?
#15
I still think Sylar is a bad bad man, he just doesnt want crap flying around about her daughter's powers.
I believe that the black silent man just wipes out memories and doesnt leach powers off. Wipes them out so they wont remember the experiments they conducted and how they look like.
DL's power is extremely cool... Shadowcat style. Wonder if he will be able to walk on air also.
Great theory on DL's murder... Never thought of that, but that is most likely what happened.
Niki is showing more and more that she has a Bruce Banner/Hulk type power (without the radiation). Her alter ego takes control when she is mad or in trouble (like hulk), and her alter ego is much stronger (like hulk, but of course not as strong).
Last nights episode was the best so far
I believe that the black silent man just wipes out memories and doesnt leach powers off. Wipes them out so they wont remember the experiments they conducted and how they look like.
DL's power is extremely cool... Shadowcat style. Wonder if he will be able to walk on air also.
Great theory on DL's murder... Never thought of that, but that is most likely what happened.
Niki is showing more and more that she has a Bruce Banner/Hulk type power (without the radiation). Her alter ego takes control when she is mad or in trouble (like hulk), and her alter ego is much stronger (like hulk, but of course not as strong).
Last nights episode was the best so far
#16
Forgot to add about Nathan's power... it's does not look like your run of the mill flight... this flight will do some major damage to whoever is in the way, and maybe to Nathan himself.
There is an X-men character called Cannonball who has a similar "blast" to Nathan's when he broke the sound barrier, but Cannonball becomes almost invunerable when flying that fast. We'll see.
There is an X-men character called Cannonball who has a similar "blast" to Nathan's when he broke the sound barrier, but Cannonball becomes almost invunerable when flying that fast. We'll see.
#17
I don't think Peter=Sylar at all. If anything, Peter is the idealist of the group. He probably gets a scar while battling Sylar. IMO, Sylar is just the bad dude. Remember the message on the answering machine? He says "thank you for making me realize the potential I have"...or something like that. I think Sylar goes out and executes other mutants, quaffs their brains and then gains their powers. If Sylar gets to the cheerleader and can become indestructible along with the powers he already has...
I really like the DNA strand image theory though...sweet!
I'm still curious about Claire's father. I don't think all the people were experiments...I think the gub'ment just knows about the people. The black guy probably has the ability to sense who's a mutant and who isn't...and can wipe memories. I just don't know Claire's dad is just trying to keep the mutant issue under wraps, or if there's more sinister things involved. He gets a little payback on the quarterback, so he obviously cares more for Claire than whatever his plans are.
I'll agree that Peter is a mimic.
This show rocks...can't wait for next week!
I really like the DNA strand image theory though...sweet!
I'm still curious about Claire's father. I don't think all the people were experiments...I think the gub'ment just knows about the people. The black guy probably has the ability to sense who's a mutant and who isn't...and can wipe memories. I just don't know Claire's dad is just trying to keep the mutant issue under wraps, or if there's more sinister things involved. He gets a little payback on the quarterback, so he obviously cares more for Claire than whatever his plans are.
I'll agree that Peter is a mimic.
This show rocks...can't wait for next week!
#18
Alright rrobello you are the effing man. i never would have even come up with that conclusion about the DNA. I mean I noticed that the camera focused on it for a second but just thought it was part of her alter ego. My theory on Claire's "dad" hes not bad. I mean he let the cop go. And he still knows who he is. I think he is catching the ones he can to keep them good. Just a thought. As for sylar he is definately telekinetic. how else to explain the chick stuck to the stairway with the kitchen knives. but as for how claire is supposed to save the world...drawing a huge blank. And Peter I see peter more as the critical thinking always questioning one in the group. There are just too many questions still cant wait for next week.
#19
Forgot to add about Nathan's power... it's does not look like your run of the mill flight... this flight will do some major damage to whoever is in the way, and maybe to Nathan himself.
There is an X-men character called Cannonball who has a similar "blast" to Nathan's when he broke the sound barrier, but Cannonball becomes almost invunerable when flying that fast. We'll see.
There is an X-men character called Cannonball who has a similar "blast" to Nathan's when he broke the sound barrier, but Cannonball becomes almost invunerable when flying that fast. We'll see.
#20
I was thinking that perhaps Mohinder might be the one who is developed into the "Hound" character, since it seems to be his mission anyways to track down all of the mutants, perhaps he too will end up with powers he doesnt realize he has yet and its the ability to sense and locate other mutants.