Okay, so this is probably somewhat old news, but being a loyal anti-Apple Android user, I thought it imperative that I express my outrage at this.

Not only can they tell where you are at, Apple software keeps track of your mobil device's location and saves it to a file stored on the device which is uploaded to the computer you dock your mobil device to. Who knows what this is used for, but this thing where they track your every move is not new and not just limited to this latest update. It is also not in the user agreement that they will track your every move and save it to a file that who knows, might be uploaded to Apple HQ.

Shame on you Apple for literally spying on your customers. I am glad to not own an Iphone, but I do have family members that do. I also (don't tell anyone this because I am ashamed to consider giving money to them) would have even considered buying an ipod touch for my wife.

http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/201...ogle_news_blog

http://news.consumerreports.org/elec...nsolidate.html

 

I don't care if I'm tracked. I have nothing to hide and the quality of their products can't be beat.

The only thing I do have to say is Steve Jobs is a **** but thats probably why he's so successful.

If you can't tell I'm a big apple person. My brother is a big android person. I understand why people like it. Competition is great! Keep it coming android!

 

I downloaded the ran the Mac Application that supposedly shows you the tracking info from your iTunes backup files.

When I ran it a message said the file could not be located.

The website also has some pretty crazy instructions on what needs to be done in order to see the info yourself.

I think it's a whole bunch of hoopla for nothing.

Google and Apple both do this. They use it so you get location based advertisements. If you are in a Burger King parking lot a Burger King ad or coupon will show up on you phone.

 

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Apple products FTW!!!

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those things dont scare me as much a knowing the IRS knows what i buy on Ebay and they send me duns for the state taxes ..

 

That's not the point.

There should be full and obvious disclosure (not hidden in legalese fine print) that they are invading your privacy.

Unfortunately, the Constitution is vague on individual right to privacy. The Founders thought it important to protect citizens from abusive search and seizure by government, but unfortunately didn't specify further. So we have a hodge podge of subsequent rulings.

 

It still doesn't matter to me. I don't see them invading my privacy. Everything is connected these days. No one has "privacy". Its just the future. I've come to except it.

 

I think if you turn location services off... That might help.....

 

ever heard the term 'targeted advertising"?

 

I'm sure there are a great many devices that track and store this info if they can. I read a few months ago where the military had to introduce rules when using smart phones and taking pictures. The meta data for the picture contains GPS info and snapping a pic and sending it to somebody provides the where and when the picture was taken.

#99 probably has it right for the most part, but I wouldn't put it above the legal system eventually allowing or demanding such information to help prosecute individuals.

I sat in court one day and watched as an expert came in and used the money the police confiscated breaking down the denominations as evidence against the kid they were trying to hang a drug charge on. Seemed kinda silly to me since it was hypothetical, but it illustrates the sort of length people in our legal system will go to prove you guilty.

 

I wonder if they know which is my favorite mobile **** site?

 

Trannygranny.com?

 

Yes, but there is zero need to keep 100% of my daily travels - for up to a year. You can target me for retail opportunities without (unknowingly in most cases) invading my privacy.

Yes. (Just like the black boxes in vehicles) And yes.
Yet isn't it hypocritical that the 'state' - the popo - have arrested so many people lately that were filming them (usually beating on an alleged perp). Uh, excuse me occifer, what part of "pppublic" servant don't you get?

Now I am all for tracking the daily travels of ALL public officials whose salary is paid by the taxpayer.

 

I've refrained for a little bit, cogitating on the quandry... and I've come to these thoughts:

If you're on the internet... you're tracked.
Therefore, if you have a smart phone... you're tracked. It's a matter of semantics whether it's done via cookes, internal server IP data, GPS tracking, tower tracking, locally stored or remotely.

Even if you stopped the files from being created on the phone/computer, don't you think that:

a) you most likely signed a piece of paper/edata that says they can use your position for business purposes and/or if law enforcement wants it?
b) They can do so without having your phone/computer store it?
c) And you likely didn't read all the fine print and question it, and/or contest it.

So it's your own dang fault if you don't like it... don't buy the service otherwise.

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I know for a fact I'm tracked. And I don't care. Really I don't. And the GPS tracking thing is off too.

Oh, I know it could be used nefariously, but once you've been a victim of identity theft, you realize that most 'privacy' issues aren't as big a deal as you'd like to be led to believe.

And besides... the phone will show where I've been, so they'll know I wasn't even in the area when this or that murder/death/kill or robbery or other bad bad evil thing happened, so it couldn't have been me, officer!

In other words, I don't have anything to hide. So I don't care. Those that do... well... that's interesting, don't ya think?

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You want privacy? Do this:

Have ONE Bank account, if you have to have one.
NO credit cards WHATSOEVER. Cash/check only. Do not own any house or car, because you have to be publicly listed. (I can, for example, get your information from a license plate, or an address on a street, it's public info.)
Do not have a cell phone.
Do not have the internet.
Do not use your identity in any way whatsoever, even if asked, to do any transactions.

There. Privacy.

/As if.
//Also, terrorist use these methods, along with fraudulent ID, so don't be a terrorist. Allow yourself to be tracked.
///I keed, I keed! Don't hurt me...

 

a) Well you are more well versed at techie stuff than I am, but at least I have some control of whether I block cookies and history correct? And if someone wants ISP info, they have to get a warrant right? And it is simple for me to use my email spam blocker, clear my files (which I do every session), password protect my router, and manually disconnect my computer from my router (which I do every night).

In contrast to some nosy corporation tracking where I walk and drive, storing on THEIR system that I cannot delete, and making it virtually impossible to protect myself.

There is only one reason these companies would collect potential marketing data - to SELL. And how many times have the data warehouses been hacked? Backup data been stolen? Including just the past few weeks that has impacted probably the largest group of Americans at one crack.

My banks and brokerages give me a 100% guarantee/reimbursement against identity theft.
*Does flapple or schmoogle? Nope.


As has been brought out, this is an easy way for the evil slime to hack & sell, track & hunt individuals, single women, children. Neither a corporation or a free government has any goddam business compiling and keeping that data.

Here we have spent millions and created an entire new industry for virus and privacy protection of our computers, but the new "devices" simply throw all that out the window and now make more than our data vulnerable to hackers - our every movement. Our routes to work, when we leave our home vacant, etc. The GPS can even compile how many live at a residence, conclude which sex they are from their surfing activity (prob even names), and when the most vulnerable persons are home alone.

b) I don't buy the products & services that are at fault here.

A legislative solution is required asap IMO. Better yet, a Constitutional Amendment that clearly and specifically dictates an individual's right to privacy.

OF course, we'll wait until women and children are abducted, raped and killed by hacker/stalkers before anyone gets serious.

I'm likin' that "don't tread on me" mantra more and more.

 

I don't know why anyone is surprised.

 

Hmmm wonder how you know that site? Hmmm

 

I hate to do this, because I hate nested quotes overall, but I think it best to do in this case. So I'm sorry if I offend those like me about it, but it's important, I think.

You'd be surprised at what you think you delete... and then I can get anyway. Nothing is ever truly erased, even after 4 erases. It can and does get done. Unless you wipe your computer with a federal standard eraser, the data is always there.

And that's what's on YOUR computer... nothing is done on your end that they can't have on their end. And if a warrant is issued... they're gonna get the info. I know... I had to surrender computers to the FBI before so they could clone the drives, and they also went to the other ends.

It is NEVER gone. Ever.Well, the 100% guarantee isn't all that. All that does is that if you're stolen from or have bogus credit cards or merchandise bought, they won't actually make you pay for it. Provided you can prove it wasn't you. I know... I am a victim, and have the 7 year plan at all the credit checkers. I will renew it as long as I can. Nobody can open anything without my direct say so, they *must* call my cell phone to confirm. Even when getting insurance quotes online. But that's the guarantee, nothing more, and it won't stop your ID from being taken.
They do, in fact, if there is paperwork to support their needs. It's all in the contract, sir...
Indeed. Quite scary when you think about it. And the people who facebook from their apple while googling and texting and all that jazz, blithely non-worried about what they're potentially giving up doing so...

Well, there is that, but to be honest? All that stuff you speak of was going on WELL before the Internet was a gleam in Algore's beady eye. Watching people and attacking them when presented with an opportunity doesn't require technology, but if they can use it, and it helps them, they will.

I don't think legislation or Amendments are the answer, any more than I think they would help gas prices as much as people NOT buying gas would, or in this case, not buying the phones/services.

In both cases, though, they've become a part of the fabric of our very society... I cannot function without my Windows 6.5 HTC Touch Pro 2 from Sprint Smartphone with the touchscreen and the stylus, with the ability to connect to my servers at the work using RDP. Just won't happen these days. It is a *tool*, not just a phone, for me. And gas, well, without it, Awesome and Ride don't go, and I need to get to work and carry things and such.

It's also my home phone, and I don't have a regular phone anymore, because all that ever called me on that line was sales people. They don't seem to know what my cell phone is, funnily enough...

Anyway. I still think it's much ado about nothing that wasn't being done before cell phones became popular. Businesses have *always* been tracking us, because that's what they do: Figure out how to maximize profits with low loss. Can't do that without tracking.

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THE uproar is this, folks. It's not that they track you. It's that they track you, and then the POLICE CAN IMMEDIATELY CONFISCATE THE DATA WITHOUT PERMISSION OR CAUSE IF YOU'RE STOPPED. That is the problem here, not that they're tracking, it never has been about the tracking itself.

Without the tracking, it can't find that fancy restaraunt you want, or show you the 8 cool stores surrounding you. I mean, c'mon, that's why you got the iPhone, right?

 

Hey, we're paying them, just like any employer we should know where are employees are and what they are up to! If my work experience is any indicator, once they are out of sight, they are wasting money